Key Takeaways


The episode highlights the UK’s escalating internet controls, age verification laws, VPN bans, and censorship, and their implications for personal freedom, framing open protocols like Nostr as the only real alternative. Unlike closed platforms dominated by corporations, Nostr distributes power across thousands of relays, giving users sovereign control over their identity, money, and speech. Braticevic points to innovative use cases such as Jack Dorsey’s mesh-network “Bit Chat,” AI-driven app creation, and Bitcoin micropayments, arguing that Nostr’s openness, not just censorship resistance, is the true breakthrough. He likens the ecosystem’s small but passionate user base to Bitcoin’s early days, noting that its resilience and flexibility make it uniquely suited to outlast and outperform closed networks.

Best Quotes

“Once you go down this path of trying to control everything, where does it end? We want to be free.”

“Open protocols give us that chance to fight back and resist… with closed platforms, one rule change is the end of the story.”

“We’re not fighting the existing system, we’re building a new one and enabling people to join if they wish.”

“This type of architecture is extremely resilient and hard to stop… Nostr is about building an internet worth having.”

“Nostr in my mind has no competitors. If you want a truly sovereign network where users hold the keys to their existence, this is it.”

“The killer feature of Nostr isn’t censorship resistance, it’s openness. Data can be recombined in endless ways to build experiences impossible in closed silos.”

“AI, Bitcoin, and Nostr together form an extremely exciting intersection. AI agents will need sovereign money and open protocols to function.”

“We want Nostr to be the best place for creators of high-signal, long-form content… with open monetization models that work across clients.”

“The passion of Nostr’s early adopters reminds me of Bitcoin in the early days, it’s the strongest signal that this will endure.”

“If you’re in the UK or anywhere facing these policies, get on Nostr before you need it. You already need it.”

Conclusion

This episode underscores the urgent stakes of today’s digital landscape. As Western governments like the UK pursue aggressive censorship and control, the choice becomes stark: submit to closed systems where accounts and speech exist at the mercy of authorities, or embrace open protocols that guarantee sovereignty. Miljan Braticevic presents Nostr as the foundation for a new internet, one built on openness, interoperability, and Bitcoin-backed incentives. Though adoption is still small compared to mainstream platforms, the passion, creativity, and steady infrastructure growth mirror Bitcoin’s own trajectory. The episode’s core message is clear: resilience and freedom must be built proactively. By adopting Nostr, supporting open-source tools, and experimenting with these systems now, individuals and creators can prepare for a future where sovereignty over money and speech is not optional but essential.

Timestamps

0:00 - Intro

0:31 - Creating freedom apps

12:29 - Who runs the relays? Not comparable to Bluesky

17:53 - Bitkey & Unchained

19:34 - Boostrapped by bitcoiners

24:47 - Primal features tease

33:52 - Obscura & Opportunity Cost

35:17 - UK going full Orwell

42:00 - AI - open source models and open data

54:23 - Nostr as marketplace - also the Great Intersection

59:49 - Looking forward over the next year

1:04:32 - Fountain

1:14:45 - Primal publisher

Transcript

(00:00) Once you go down this path of trying to control everything, where does it end? We want to be free. People who like to censor and all these monstrous organizations, they're doing their thing and we're doing our thing. We're just building a new system and enabling people to join them as they wish. The majority of the internet is controlled by five corporations.

(00:20) Open protocols give us that chance to kind of fight back and resist us. The bar for usability is being set by these multi-billion dollar companies who've been at it for, you know, 10 years plus. \[Music\] Million, is it me or is the world going crazy? I guess those two are not mutually exclusive, right? But uh the world's getting crazier by the day for sure.

(00:47) Yeah, more interesting, more chaotic. Yeah, it feels like uh feels like we're we're at like a hard not a hard fork, but like a fork in the road and there's things are incredibly exciting, powerful, and optimistic. And then you have other things like uh I originally reached out was like three or four weeks ago you were on a little vacation.

(01:21) So we scheduled it for this but it was talk about the UK aid verification laws censorship and the importance of open protocols like Noster but things have just escalated since then. They want to ban VPNs now. Totally. I mean once you go down this path of trying to control everything like where does it end? You you kind of really need to uh you know close all the exits as they like to say all the escape routes. Yeah.

(01:46) Well, I mean it ends uh I don't want to smirk here but it ends typically with campsuffering mass death if you continue continue down the path. That's why it's important to leverage the tools that we have today in terms of open protocols um and the communications technology to get the message out. That's the big agreed.

(02:13) That's the big question I have is like are we at a point in human history where we have all these tools at our fingertips? Can we actually use them to prevent at least in western society the devolution into pure Orwellian socialist communist authoritarian hellscape? Well, the open protocols give us that chance, right? Like if if we're clos if we're using the legacy closed systems, we just don't have a chance, right? Like because that's a single throat to choke.

(02:47) If uh any government uh makes any new rule that forbids uh you know certain type of speech um if you're dealing with a closed platform it's the end of the story you know they'll just have to tell X or whoever you know close this down and companies need to apply comply and that's the end of it that content already exists only exists behind their kind of wall in their walled garden since they fully control it they and they certainly can comply and the governments know that.

(03:22) Uh when it comes to open protocols, I don't think we automatically win by default just because we're using open protocols. Open protocols give us that chance to kind of fight back and resist this. But there's still quite a bit of work uh that needs to be done um by a lot of people to um to win, so to speak. And I'm not like super gloomy about all of these things that are, you know, that we're seeing everywhere.

(03:50) Um, I kind of look at it more from the point of view of, hey, this is, you know, this is a test for us. This is something that's uh that's giving us an opportunity to grow, to uh step up, assert our own sovereignty uh over our online lives, over our wealth, our money, our transactions, and so forth.

(04:15) Um there are a number of us who build tools uh for people who wish to step up and use them and uh like I said we we get that opportunity and it's up to us to see how we're going to use the tools uh to assert our our sovereignty. Yeah. Somebody on the the bleeding edge of the open protocol that is Noster, what are what are some of the unique ways you've observed people not only leveraging Primal but just leveraging Noster to really stick a eye in the or needle in the eye of sensors or creating cool applications that that leverage Nostra relays in some way to create

(04:57) robust applications that that are very hard to censor. Yeah. I don't even think it's about sticking a needle in the eye of anyone, you know. It's just like we we want to uh be free. uh we you know the people who out there who would like to censor and all these you know monstrous organizations they're doing their thing and we're doing our thing.

(05:20) We're we're not necessarily fighting the existing system. We're just building a new system and uh enabling people to join them as they wish. Right. And to answer your question, lots of new stuff being built all the time. Uh a lot of it is really exciting. Um, you know, not even talk about Primal.

(05:44) So, outside of Primal, the the cool things we've seen on Nostra recently, um, is, uh, for example, Jack Dorsey's Bit Chat, uh, app, which he vibe coded over a weekend, which uses uh, Bluetooth enabled mesh network to communicate with devices that are in close proximity to you.

(06:13) close proximity meaning you know 20 30 mters maybe 100 ft or so and then you know you can so you can kind of relay messages directly uh to one another without even needing an internet connection and then when any one of these users gets an internet connection they can you know upload those signed messages to any relay and then replicate them further.

(06:40) So this is a really neat use case which I think uh this kind of network topology I think is extremely um appropriate for Nostra. It's Noster is perfect for this because the protocol is so simple and it's comprised just out of signed messages and each of these signed messages exist can exist on its own. kind of has meaning just uh each individual message on its own kind of stands uh on the firm legs so to speak so to speak.

(07:13) Uh so the more of these messages you have the more you sense you can make out of the network and uh you can broadcast them you know to those that are close to you. You can broadcast them to relays. You can index them. Index them and so forth. If they get deleted from any relays, you can repost them to other relays. This t