Believe All Men w/ Theresa Tallien

Ancient Problemz BlahcastBelieve All Men w/ Theresa Tallien23891×0:00Current time: 0:00 / Total time: -1:50:10-1:50:10Audio playback is not supported on your browser. Please upgrade.0:00You are now listening to ancient problems.0:04I’m like extra bad because my husband’s a software engineer and he does everything for me. So I don’t know how to do anything. I’ve never set up like a Wi-Fi network. If I need a new phone, I’m just like, I just ask him, like, tell me what phone to get. So I don’t know anything.0:18You are now listening to ancient problems. And I think if he smelled bad and he was ugly, then I’d probably get way more pissed off at him.0:27How do you think Luigi Mandino spells?0:31Oh, I bet that guy smells great. Italian guy? Oh my god.0:34I’ll mansplain to you who you are. I love it. And then you mansplain to me how I’m wrong.0:53Okay, let’s do it.1:07Bye. Bye.1:28Okay, so I am here with Teresa Tallien. Am I pronouncing that correctly?1:33Yeah, that’s fine.1:34We’ll go with that. Okay. A familiar voice, but this is the first time we’re chatting. Uh-huh. We were having some technical difficulties getting into this, but I feel like this is like a good intro because we’re both millennials. But I feel like a lot of the animosity between millennials and boomers is the bigotry of small differences.2:00Yes, I agree.2:02And like, I feel like a boomer all the time, even though obviously I’m not one, but I feel like spiritually, like I just stopped learning anything that works with like technology, maybe by age 26 and then like no moss. And I feel like they’re forever frozen in time as well.2:21I’m like extra bad because my husband’s a software engineer and he does everything for me. So I don’t know how to do anything. I’ve never set up like a Wi-Fi network. If I need a new phone, I’m just like, I just ask him, like, tell me what phone to get. So I don’t know anything.2:36This is a good arrangement though. Like my point being like, you’re in the position of power here, obviously.2:43Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.2:45Okay, so this is what I would like to do if you’re down. What I want to do is create basically like a criminal profile of who you are and then correct me on all the stuff I get wrong.3:02Okay.3:02A brief life history. Sure. Okay. So I’m sure you’ve said it on a podcast where you’re from, but I’m going to skip over like the beginning stuff and we’re going to go to college. You studied something in arts and humanities. Okay. Yeah.3:18Yeah, that’s close.3:19Okay, so let me let me build the profile a little bit so I can be like way off base. And then you’ll like all mansplains who you are. And then you mansplain to me how I’m wrong.3:30Okay, let’s do it.3:32Okay, so arts and humanities in college, or if I’m catching that correction, maybe it was like poli-sci or something, philosophy, whatever. So something, a word sell kind of thing in college. You end up going to New York and doing your New York thing for a little bit. There is a young, hot company…3:57We’re going to say that this is happening somewhere around the Obama one presidency. You are working at this young, hip company like Tumblr or BuzzFeed or one of these new media companies, Gawker, one of the Gawker verticals, one of the adjacent ones, whatever. You work in that for a bit.4:23And this is not really speculation as I just listened to the one you did with Deep Left. Yesterday, I listened to it, even though I know you did it some time ago. And around… a year to two years into the Trump presidency, the first term he served, but only thus far he served,4:46you kind of looked around and realized that like, even if everything you thought up until that point was correct, everyone in the room with you was like really fucking annoying by that point. And that’s where I leave off. Okay, can you correct me?5:04yeah um sure i was a i double majored actually i was a biology major but i also double majored in theater that’s what i wanted to major in and um my parents i went to college like right as the economy was crashing so my parents wanted me to major5:21in something like more practical so i was a biology major I actually never lived in New York. I moved straight to Chicago. I think I might be a couple years younger than you think I am. That’s okay, though.5:35And you have to be because you it sounds like you were in college during Obama’s first presidency.5:40Yes.5:41Yeah. Okay.5:43And I didn’t actually work for one of those companies like as an employee. I did freelance writing mostly for spin and some for vice and like once for pitchfork. I always had to have a day job because I never really made enough money doing that. I worked at a hospital and at a medical laboratory.6:07So I had like a normal health care job. And then I would try to write and like on the weekends, go to Bushwick and like go to parties and Tried to make it work. Yeah, you are right. Around 2017, I just quit the internet because everyone was going crazy and I was having to lie,6:30falsify my beliefs about everything so much that it was just annoying to talk to these people and try to be friends with people who I knew would probably think I was a racist if I expressed my authentic political beliefs to them. So… And I was working at that time at like a very busy commercial laboratory.6:55And I worked a lot of hours and I was just like, I’m just going to have this job and quit the Internet. So that’s basically it.7:03Yeah. It sounds like you didn’t feel as much pressure to lie about things you believed in while you were at work.7:12Yeah. Because I worked with like normal. Yeah.7:14Yeah.7:16Yeah, they’re all like Filipino women.7:19Yeah.7:20Like went to nursing school and stuff. So they were not woke.7:25Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My wife works with such women. Yes. They’re definitely practical ladies.7:31Yeah, yeah. They’re great. I like Filipinos a lot, actually.7:35Yeah, I don’t have a lot of experience with them. I definitely went to one of their Christmas parties last year. But my take is that, yeah, they’re like… They understand that if you take care of certain basic material concerns, it like frees you up to worry about like bigger things in life.7:54But that like that’s the order to do things in as opposed to like, you know, me like getting an arts and humanities degree or whatever. That’s like, yeah, radically useless.8:04Yeah.8:04But they understand like, right, like if you study nursing, you’re going to have a job.8:10Yeah. The women are all nurses and the men are all like in the military or they’re gay. So.8:16Yeah, what is up with that? It does seem like, am I being a dick if I’m like, maybe there are a few extra of them are gay that are, say, represented among whites or something?8:27It’s like a larger percentage. I do think their culture is more permissive about that than other Asian cultures, but it does seem like it’s a higher percentage. I don’t know if it’s a biological thing or not.8:39I think it’s an equatorial thing. yeah i think that i don’t know if there are actually like if you were gonna like put censors on their dicks like if like slavic guys are like any less gay than like haitians or something but uh you know you’re never gonna freeze to death in haiti8:59so like it’s dangerous but like it’s not dangerous for like it’s dangerous for man-made reasons It’s not like dangerous because like a bear is going to eat you or you’re going to freeze to death or something. And so like, it seems like equatorial places, they all have like carnival, you know, like Brazil, New Orleans,9:18Texas is an absolute filthy, crazy place. It’s so funny how like people outside of this state, when they want to, they like think that this is like this very conservative stuffy place. And I’m like, no, like, These people who think this way have never visited or spent much time in like really hot human climates.9:42I have just not seen proof of concept that you can have a hot human climate that is either outside of this paradigm. Either it’s like Somaliland and it’s like Haiti or it gets ruled the way the French ruled Haiti. But, like, you have to use authoritarianism in, like, hot places.10:05Because everyone else, everyone’s just trying to fuck each other in the butt all the time. And, like, necklace each other and, like, set each other on fire and shit. And that, like, you really can’t, like, just let them be. Because, like, look at fucking California. Like, LA is, like, a southern part of the state.10:24It’s not, like, way the fuck up there. You cannot, like, you’re just going to attract homeless people who like to set shit on fire.10:32Yeah, that’s true. It’s kind of like in these climates, you’re either like naked or you’re wearing a hijab.10:39Yeah, yeah, for sure. And like this should be a lesson to people in general that the middle really sucks and that extremes are actually really good.10:48I agree.10:50Yeah. Yeah. So I wanted, speaking of hijabs, no, I wanted to talk to you just because even though you might be like a site younger than me, I think because I have the soul of a young girl that we have a lot in common. So I wanted to talk to you about like,11:14what it was like when you were in college, because that’s when I was like fresh out of college. It’s like close enough.11:19Yeah.11:20What like partying was like, like going to parties and drinking, and also what music was like, and what the internet was like back then. Because for me, this is all a part of the same package.11:32Yeah. Okay, I agree.11:35So can you take us back in time and like a magic time machine to when you are like, I don’t know, maybe like ending high school, beginning college and what socializing is like in that era for people?11:54Yeah, I mean, in high school, I didn’t go to a lot of parties necessarily. It was more like hanging out in parking lots and smoking cigarettes that you stole from your mom, drinking vodka out of a plastic bottle, stuff like that.12:11Where geographically? What region of the U.S.?12:14I grew up in Indianapolis, Indiana.12:17Okay, so Midwest.12:19Yeah, I’ve always lived in the Midwest. And I would say like between high school and college, the transition was like we were listening to more of the like, you know, sort of like mainstream indie rock at the time, which would have been like, The White Stripes or like Franz Ferdinand, stuff like that.12:40Just like drinking and hanging out in people’s cars, normal like Midwest teen stuff. And then when I went to college, I think that does coincide with like the stuff like Justice and like the mashups and Girl Talk and the Ed Banger records and stuff like that. And I did party a lot in college. I was friends with…13:05I was like really good friends with these guys who all were on like the cross country team. I don’t know how that happened, but they were all like really slutty and they were fuck boys and they threw really great parties. So we would like, I would always be in the basement, like DJing the party on my,13:23on my iPod and like serving beer. Cause that was more fun to me. And it was a good time.13:30okay and uh tell us about how one in five women was getting raped on college camp13:36oh my god i mean i probably did believe that even though i didn’t how did you13:41survive college with pussy intact and also um how much do you regret being friends13:50with these slutty track guys no they were great because they like I mean, they were sleazy to other girls, but I think because they were kind of like sketchy guys, they were really protective of me. And so I could get like blackout drunk.14:06I totally understand this. 100%.14:09I was like their little sister. So they, you know, I could get like wasted and be like falling down drunk and they would make sure like nothing like too weird happened to me. So they were actually the best.14:21Yeah, for sure. Who you’re describing just sounds like my, not that they were all track stars or whatever, but when I was fresh out of college, even though I played, I can lift weights and shit, but I’m not a sports guy. If you’re like, hey, catch this ball, it’s going to hit me in the head or something.14:42Yeah, this is not my thing. Like that’s not in my genes. So what I was going to say is when I was fresh out of college, I moved into this one of many group homes. I’ve lived in so many places. It’s nuts with so many roommates. I probably…14:59If I would have to list them, I might have had 70 some odd roommates in my life, maybe more. Yeah, I’ve just moved, like including in the same town, you know, you might move every six months or like something happens, your fucking ceiling falls in somewhere or whatever.15:17But this first group of friends or this first place I moved after college, there was this guy in the house who was in the Marine Reserves. And he worked overnight as a security guard in like the superior court in D.C. And he was from Michigan. And he was from northern Michigan.15:37So they have that accent that’s like almost Canadian. And they just they sound retarded. You can probably vibe with this. Do you know the Sean Ryan podcast? I don’t. It’s like one of the most popular podcasts in the US. It’s where they like broke a lot of this information regarding that guy who blew15:57that Tesla up in Nevada.15:58Okay.15:59The reason I bring it up is if you look at the phenotype on this guy, like you just like know everything about this guy by looking like he has a potato head. He just has that Midwestern. He looks like he’s meant to be drunk all day and like working on an engine or something. But anyway,16:17what I was going to say is this guy who I did not go to college with, but I very temporarily lived with. He was from rural Michigan and we lived in D.C. and. Right around the time we were living together, he had a couple of friends move there, also from Michigan.16:37And what these guys all had in common is that we’re all wrestlers. And yeah, we just used to we would go out at midnight, just like extremely drunk already. And then we would shut bars down and then come back somewhere and keep drinking. And like, you know,16:54these guys are telling me stories like they used to kick in the doors like or kick the doors off like frat parties and like jack their beer and shit like that. But they would they were complete gentlemen to women. Um, so anyway, the reason I was just bringing that up because I knew like everyone thinks that like,17:12we’re just all like crazy misogynists and like, it was just like a rape fest up until like 2017 or something, but it was like mostly people like having sex and not regretting it. And like, everything was okay.17:25Yeah. I feel like it started getting weird, like around the time that I graduated, which would have been like 2011 and, um, I do think there was a lot of like people using different definitions of like what is sexual assault and what is rape. And yeah,17:43I did have a friend who was accused of like taking advantage of a girl and it was a pretty unpleasant situation. So I do think it was starting to get weird, but it wasn’t, I didn’t think it was like a dangerous place. And I don’t know, this always gets called like victim blaming, but for me, it’s like,18:01If you don’t, like, just don’t go home with a guy if you’re not sure. Like, just, like, you can make out with a guy at a party and say, no, I’m not going home with you. Go home with your friends. It’s really not, like, it’s not hard to not get into that situation, so.18:15Also, pro tip for the gentlemen out there. If you tell the women up front that you cannot have sex with them, you will increase the odds that they will have sex. If you try to like before they even bring it up, be like, hey, look, I’ve got to run tomorrow at like 6 a.m.18:35and do like a thousand pushups. And then I’m going to volunteer for like an orphanage or something. So I really can’t go home with you. Like for the odds will get a little bit higher that they will they will try to go home with you. Just putting that out there.18:52Yeah, you don’t want to seem too available.18:54Yeah, yeah, for sure. You have a lot of orphans to deal with in the morning. Yeah, okay. So yeah, Me Too came a little bit later. So let’s talk about what that party scene was like where you say, for instance, felt like you could get pretty wasted and that you were not going to suffer insane19:20consequences for it. What was that party scene like?19:24I mean, it was in college. It was like, you know, you’d get ready for a party at 10 p.m. And like, I would always buy a like a can of Red Bull and like pour some of it out and then pour vodka in it and then like walk to a party.19:37And, you know, there’d always be a keg.19:42That was a thing, right? Like, do you remember the OG ones like before Four Logo?19:49Four Logo.19:50There was Spark.19:52yes sparks yeah i used to fuck with spark it was like highlighter yellow yeah it19:59was yeah you knew it was nasty there was a bunch of them yeah yeah we used to do uh jaeger bombs yeah yeah yeah okay um what was were people like taking adderall or xanax or anything back then20:15Yeah, I mean, I went to like a rich kid like prep school in high school and people definitely did a lot of pills there. And I feel like it was less bad in college, but the exception would be Adderall, which was like everywhere.20:27And I used to sometimes hang out with these like guys who are really into heavy metal and those like heavy metal guys get really fucked up like more than anyone. So I would party with them because they were really fun. And they would do, they would call it triforcing,20:41which is when you would like take a huge bong rip and then like take a shot of whiskey and then snort a bunch of Adderall. And the theory was like somehow the three of them would combine to like, they would like counteract each other in a way so that you would be like really fucked up,20:58but kind of lucid still at the same time.21:01I feel like you would have like a really fun kind of paranoia.21:05Yeah, I always felt like the Adderall sobered me up and kind of like, it wasn’t actually as fun as it sounded in theory. Yeah.21:14Yeah, I feel like speed and alcohol or caffeine and alcohol was definitely like a combo for a while. Yeah. Yeah. I had, I actually just got done hanging out with one of them, but I had these friends who used to visit me when I lived in New York. They were from out of town. And when,21:37whenever we would link up, you know, we would pregame at my place, but you know, bodegas are just open 24 seven. So we would always like walk into one and order some large ice coffees with like milk and sugar and make it like real sweet.21:53The sugar gets stuck to the ice cubes and you like it at the end. And we would just get so insanely fucked up because we were like wired. But I assume people were dancing at these parties. Yeah.22:04Yeah.22:05Yeah. Um, you know, crypto gal is really onto something that like alcohol kind of loosens people up to dance and move and be a little less self-conscious. And once they’re dancing, they can sniff out who’s good to have sex with.22:19Yes.22:20In fact, I think, uh, I, you in, um, deep left kind of sort of touched on it.22:24Yeah.22:25Like I, so I’m a huge believer in this, uh, is like you, um, like if you’re bad at dancing, um, You can have sex with anyone at any dancing level who will have sex with you, okay? But if you are good at dancing, you get to pass over people who are bad at dancing if you want to,22:48because it’s like an extreme turnoff. So like, I’m not like shitting on people. Like, you know, like I think fat people should marry each other. Like they should lose weight, but they also like fat people got to like have sex too.23:01But like, if you’re good at dancing and you see someone who’s bad at dancing, it is like, um, If you’ve ever seen like an animal sniff another animal’s butt and then immediately move away, that’s how I feel about that. Because I’m kind of okay at it.23:19And so if I see like terrible, I’m like under no circumstances would I touch it.23:25Yeah, I agree. I think it’s a really good way to like see how another person moves and assess your chemistry with them. And one thing I didn’t talk to Deep Left about that I like after we talked, I was like, oh, I wish I’d brought this up. It’s like,23:37I do think like I liked going to parties and like it was ever since like hip hop dancing is basically dry humping, right? Like it’s like grinding. So it’s not, there’s no like pretense and like I was fine with that. But I do think it’s like a lot of people are,23:56they get like embarrassed about it or that’s why they feel like they don’t want to do it. And I do think dancing is maybe more accessible. Like if you think about even like disco dancing, my aunt and uncle who are like boomers who were radio DJs like in the eighties and24:12nineties were telling me that they like took like hustle lessons together to learn how to dance the hustle and stuff. And I do think that’s like maybe more accessible for normal people, but I mean, I like like freak dancing to rap music and my husband and I used to go clubbing24:29together all the time when we were in our twenties. He is a good dancer too. So, I mean, I’m totally with you. Yeah.24:36I think it’s good to simulate sex acts in public. Can’t let the gays have it all. This is getting out of fucking control. I’m going to play some offense on them and like flash someone or something. Get on like the sex offender registry like real quick.24:58um i think that yeah for sure so like i went i’m from miami okay so like yeah early in elementary school kids are doing that and the teachers are yelling at you they’re like stop that shit but like um people are just again people are just horny25:15especially in these like southern places and you really uh have to rule with an iron fist over even children I think that this is, this is probably the main takeaway from this episode. Okay. So yeah. And to that end with like hip hop, like a cool moment we had, I think in this time period,25:37it’s preceding us was like a weird moment with like electro clash, which like some of it was okay, but this was definitely for Gen X people. It was like, the gen x antithesis to like sad boy nirvana shit was uh like tight pants pervert25:54music it was like german guys and like synthesizers and shit but uh what happened after that was the synthesis of that like fucked up like weird dance music with basically like uh drum and bass shit from like miami or like yeah really i would26:13say more like miami stuff there’s like a little bit freestyle and maybe some like baltimore jersey club but you had like ed rec labels uh ed rec uh ed records or whatever it was called and you ed banger no i’m banger such a fucking rumor26:30But there was another- And Death From Above, like DFA Records was a good one.26:35Death From Above 1979. Oh my God. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.26:38Death From Above 1979.26:39Like even if you hate them- There’s something about their edge that was really cool, especially in that period. Because I was in college then. I guess Tumblr was probably taking off then. I started college in 2003, okay? And I can remember… Shit, what was I going to say? What was I saying three seconds ago about… Yeah,27:13they I was like, right in like the middle of like, shit was really, really woke when I was in college. I so I’m still friends with people from college, but they were not in arts and humanities. And they’ll tell me they had no clue this stuff was going on.27:29this is every single one of my classes was like this i took like a prereq or mandatory fucking english class where like it was like the first thing where you’re um away from normies who like absolutely don’t want to know anything to do with the language that class was on like victorian lit okay27:50Every single selection for that class magically had something funny with gender happening. Down to like a Virginia Woolf book where someone transitions halfway through the book, okay? Yeah, like every single one magically. And you’re like, man, people in, you know, like Victorian England were really obsessed with gender.28:12And that’s clearly the only fucking thing they thought about and not like what misery factories are and how much everything sucks because you live in England. But anyway, you had this synthesis of these musics, and you had this really grimy shit. And I remember Deaths From Above, they had a song called You’re a Woman, I’m a Machine.28:33And it was just so gangster.28:37Yeah, I think even at the time, some people accused them of being sexist, which…28:43like no shit they’re both yeah that’s fine and what you probably have anaconda dicks they’re both seven feet tall like what the fuck do people like do they look like they have uh porn star mustaches and like swoops it was like this was like you know we got a little too gay in that era for sure29:04but like uh the the ability to be a sleazeball was like pretty cool and then like you know like terry richardson basically ruined it for everyone yeah but like um los angeles apparel um or which uh american apparel yeah American Apparel before Dove Charney got Me Too’d um man that was in his that still29:29does it for me I have to say like I had loved American Apparel like not like not the clothes per se but like the ads like that yeah like that porn star a little bit29:43sleazy um but they’re like a little bit candid too yes and you were seeing a private photo29:50Yeah, and they had that thing that, like, are you familiar with Mr. Robert Stark here on Substack?29:58Yes, I am.30:00His reputation precedes him. So look, like they had this thing that resembles like starkism for me a little bit in so far as like, you know, there’s this ongoing sub stack conversation about how stank white people are and how our women have the smelliest vaginas of all the races.30:25And, you know, not to weigh in on that or not, There was this thing where like the conversation devolved into like, do Northern Europeans shower less? And I’ve known, yeah, like for sure some upper middle class or upper class whites who didn’t shower as much. But my point with all this being is like,30:49there was like a not that subtle injection of pubic hair and armpit hair in those ads. And a lot of people, you can actually kind of tell someone’s class, I find. If you find guys that are not particularly turned off, by like armpit hair or something they’re almost necessarily upper class in my31:13experience uh not that like everyone upper class is into body hair but that people who kind of overlook it as like a non-factor they don’t have this preoccupation with coming off as clean I dress almost like a homeless person. Every day, I wear this same bullshit. I wear a plain t-shirt and drab shorts, all drab colors.31:41I grow my beard out. I’m bald. I don’t give a fuck. I let it grow out. I shave it. Doesn’t matter. None of this shit concerns me whatsoever. And to people who are very middle class, they want nothing to do with them. But then I know millionaires who will like just have a conversation with me out in32:03the middle of the street. And it’s like, well, I have no anxiety about this because I’m not concerned with anyone confusing me for homeless versus like really middle class people have to fight to make sure people know that like they went to Whole Foods or something or they can dress their wife32:19up in aloe yoga or something like this. Anyway.32:23Yeah.32:24I thought like I liked that. And I think I see a lot of people who like they turn their nose up at like, you know, the body hair or like some of that aesthetic. And I’m like, well, you’re just revealing your class anxiety.32:40yeah i agree i’ve noticed since i live in chicago like the best smelling most hygienic people on the planet are like upwardly mobile bourgeois black people they always like smell like really expensive perfume or cologne they are always dressed like flawlessly always like incredibly impeccably groomed because they’re very insecure about this status33:06I can vouch. I’ve dated a few of them and I had a training client for a while. Well, a few training clients who fit the description you’re giving. But like, you know, a joke I had, you know, like four years ago that I was saying to a black friend of mine is like when I’m.33:26Kamala Harris was running to become the presidential nominee for 2020, I said to my friend, I said, I just know she smells amazing. You could look at her and be like, she smells like peaches and baby powder. I know for a fact. And yeah, I can vouch. I mean, I’m of the ethic that like,33:50there’s some people who just don’t really smell particularly bad. uh i some people say like i’m in that camp like i think i can get funky but like uh for sure i don’t smell like uh if i went like three days it would not be uh like34:06some other people you’ve been around probably yeah like my point being like if you can get away with it get away with it but if you can’t you should definitely not34:14try it yeah that’s that’s good advice that’s solid34:20Okay, so freak dancing and smelling people. You have a biology degree, like available to some of your secret hidden knowledge here. How much do you believe in people literally smelling each other and that this is paramount for compatibility, things like this?34:39I’m pretty convinced by it. I think the studies are actually, they, they like look pretty strong and does seem to be some evidence that has to do with the, um, histocompatibility, which is like, you’re sort of like smelling someone whose pheromones aren’t exactly like yours so that you’ll have better genetic compatibility and better, um,35:00like your offspring will in theory have better immunity.35:04Yeah.35:08Um, I mean, I’m kind of a believer. I might, I think my husband smells great. And even when he annoys me, I’m like, well, but I like his face and he smells good. So I’ll, you know, I’ll give him, cut him some slack.35:21And I think if he smelled bad and he was ugly, then I’d probably get way more pissed off at him.35:26How do you think Luigi Mangino spells?35:30Oh, I bet that guy smells great. Italian guys. Oh my God.35:35what is their fragrance i don’t know either that sausage it’s like it’s like sweaty35:44a little just a tiny bit but like a little too much cologne but like somehow the two counteract yeah i don’t know do you do you think he has a gay vibe though like i’ve I don’t know. That’s what I think when I see him.36:01But I know a lot of women think he’s very attractive, but he looks like kind of gay to me.36:08Okay, so let me chime in on the gay thing with Luigi Mangium. The thing with him is that he’s upper middle class, which means… his mother for sure had like a very prominent, um, hand in his upbringing. Like I talked about this with like Walt on like one of our OG collaborations.36:35I think, um, it was either Walt or crypto gal, but basically like, um, or probably both. If you are like a mama’s boy, like if you’re just, um, devoid of like male presence, um, You are going to learn how to speak like a woman, which is very useful.36:53You’re actually going to be completely unemployable in this world if you don’t learn anything. You’re going to be lower than a garbage man if you can’t learn how to speak this language. But the problem is if you’re not around guys, you don’t pick up on certain things that are important.37:12because you’re not in a dynamic where there’s any kind of hierarchy at all when you’re with women. I mean, there’s a little bit of one, but as a guy, hopefully, you’re not competing with them. You shouldn’t be. This is not good for your spirit, and women fucking hate it when you compete with them,37:29especially if you’re better at something than them. They absolutely lose their shit, and they’ll make something up to make it cheating and how you’re not supposed to be doing what you’re doing. But look, Mangione is probably a mama’s boy. And so it would be hard to tell. But like, I mean, there’s some like gay murderers and shit.37:49It happens. There’s definitely some like guys who like over index on murder, like Ted Bundy, who have questionable sexuality. But I think that he’s just an upper middle class mama’s boy. And he may or may not also be a psychopath. Then there’s like this weird Venn diagram place where like being gay,38:14being a psychopath and being really smart often intersect. But like, so like, I don’t think Kanye West is gay, but I would not be shocked if he’s a psychopath or sociopath. And one of the indicators is actually what I had is you have a slender jaw at the chin, but it’s real wide by the ears.38:37And it’s got like a big width discrepancy. It’s like the Chad jawline is like does index with like psychopathy. And I suspect that he may have some of that going on. But, like, I’m just going to keep it 100. I’ve known plenty of gay guys who are super fun to be around, very high IQ,39:01and have extremely questionable morals, and were probably, like, sociopaths. And if you’re even two of those, you’re going to come off gay, but you’ll also come off like a genius, and you’ll also come off like an unscrupulous human, probably. Okay. That makes sense. So he smells good, do you think?39:22I think so.39:24And going back to this like olfactory discussion, do you think that it is a good thing that people are showering so much? Or do you think that people are getting into incompatible relationships and situationships because no one knows what anyone smells like?39:44Maybe if you’re like really overly scrupulous about your hygiene and you wear like a lot of scented products that could cover that up. But I think that we’re actually probably pretty good at picking these things up at a subconscious level, even if people are just like having a basic shower and washing up with soap.40:04I honestly think that online dating is probably… more of a big problem because you’re just like trying to judge someone off of a picture which is um it’s like really bad for women but it’s probably not even that great for men because you can um you can like like i can take a picture that looks40:21way better than i look in real life so it’s just not you’re not getting very good40:25information like you can tell women for you to have to look at selfies of men your vagina just dries immediately it should be so apparent um was it you talking about uh posting like a note about like this study that shows that like women don’t love clicking on pictures infinity40:54times on dating apps or something and like mad at40:58It might have been Kate or Sophie. Everyone’s kind of been talking about it.41:02I was just like, this is retarded. Like, I have seen so many guys who are, like, nothing to look at. Pull amazing looking women. Like, you would have to be, like, What I don’t get about it is it’s like it’s not the same kinds of guys who are into41:23rationalism or like the same kinds of guys who can’t put two and two together that like women don’t like a fucking picture of you. They want like a big warm body that like rips cardboard boxes for them and gets shit off the shelf and like gives them like a nice house and stuff.41:43But like they don’t want a picture of you. They’re like taking pictures of themselves and showing other people those pictures. They don’t want to see you.41:52Yeah, but men should only take pictures of themselves if it’s like you’re in the gym and it’s your arm only. Maybe even that’s questionable. I do think some people will extrapolate from this and they’ll think like, well, women don’t care about looks at all,42:07or they only really care about your personality and how you make them feel emotionally. And I think that is also maybe an overcorrection.42:16They care how you look, animate it.42:19exactly how you move how your voice sounds how you conduct yourself and yeah it’s so women are superficial but it’s just in a more multi-sensory three-dimensional42:31way i guess does that make sense i think they can be superficial i don’t think that the i think like they might be superficial in the sense that like You use your eyes to see someone and with binoculars, you could see how they move from like 3000 feet away. Right.42:51But I don’t think that there are superficial in the sense that they’re pretty true signals of certain things you can’t fake. so like um you know like i work people out for a living okay so sometimes you’ll get a guy who for whatever reason will give you a request that’s like hey i want43:13like my pecs to make a diamond and like the center of my chest kind of request and or maybe they want a pyramid like a triangle and the truth is all of these configurations exist and then some but the point is This is not on the menu.43:30Maybe there’s a surgeon in the jungles of Brazil who has developed a patented technique I don’t know about. But basically, there’s no exercise you can do that does that. What your body knows is we grow your pecs or we don’t, basically. We can grow different parts of it, but there’s no way to accomplish that.43:51There’s a lot of biometrics on your body that they’re there for a reason. It’s not like… Like this sounds shitty, okay? But like, all right. So I raise all these cats with my wife. It’s like one of our like little side things we do.44:08And we have all these strays and there’s just an ocean of them who we feed outside on the side of our house. And it’s like a feeding frenzy twice a day. And there’s this one cat who had four kittens. Unfortunately, one of the kittens didn’t make it. It had like eye things going on.44:25And just one day we didn’t see it. And the mother herself was cross-eyed and severely underweight, okay? This cat was like five and a half pounds and then she had four babies inside her. Five and a half pounds is nothing for a cat, okay? She’s now like nine pounds and her eyes aren’t crossed anymore.44:48And the point being, she wasn’t just cross-eyed, but had a nice personality. She was also extremely skittish. She was running around. She was fucking scared all the time. She was trying to avoid getting raped by more cats. you know not all those cats are from the same daddy by the way um so she’s like45:08underweight she’s like this homeless cat who’s hungry and just walking around and despite the fact that there’s like vultures flying around her head every time a male cat sees her he tries to impregnate her and then does so and that’s her life but my point being that like um45:26whatever uh the cat it’s not like just its eye was messed up and it had a great personality it was like probably like mentally ill right it’s uh it’s like malnourished uh and i’m sure all manner of biological and metabolic processes inside this cat were absolutely fucked up right So my point being, like,45:48it’s not like you see a girl who, like, I don’t know, is, you know, hobbling. And she’s got, like, flies going around her head. And you’re like, maybe I don’t want to date that one. You know, it’s not like you’re just being superficial. Like, maybe she has malaria. Like, maybe she has AIDS.46:10Maybe there’s good reasons not to marry her.46:14that makes sense no i’m persuaded by that argument i feel like we’re making a lot46:19of headway here in the uh battle of the sexes for zoomers and uh sexually46:26dissatisfied people oh my god the zoomers they hate each other do they i don’t know i mean it seems like they do online maybe that’s misleading though maybe it’s not46:37as bad as i think it is i mean like i think I probably… I don’t know. I probably come off like I hate women more in person than online, maybe. But I don’t hate women. I hate… I feel like it’s very hard to have honest conversations across populations right now. And that a lot of the…47:03maneuvers that women might pull rhetorically or politically feel like cheating to men because men would never be permitted to do them to each other nor back to women. And so one way of dealing with it is to just say fuck it and then like say something47:24really punty on the internet because you can’t affect it because you’re just like okay well you’re gonna emotionally manipulate this argument into being about your feelings and there will be no amount of evidence that can convince you because it’s all about how you feel so now i’m going to call you a bad name or something or make47:42fun of you or whatever I’m not like apologizing for it, but I’m saying like, I don’t know how much is genuine hatred of like women and how much is like hatred of like how a corporations will use women to make certain things suck at work and be like, well,48:02we got to do it because it protects this other group of people here. And it like just magically aligns with their bottom line, like paying for your abortion or something. Right. Right.48:11Yeah. Yeah.48:13Whereas if you’re a guy, if you want to get your testosterone checked, they’re like, why would you need all of that? What are you going to be doing with all that testosterone? Oh, you can’t get your dick hard or something? You can’t get a panel if you’re a guy covered by insurance lists.48:30I don’t know what age you would have to be. I’m 40, and I think it would be covered if I did have health insurance. But the point being, we see these asymmetries. And so I don’t know how much is like targeted at women as much as they’re being descriptive in the most pejorative,48:45nasty way possible about certain realities they see. But I think it’s interesting that you as a woman feel like maybe it’s aimed at you. And I don’t think you’re stupid for thinking that. But that like what the cynic in me wants to say is, of course, you guys think it’s about you. They’re not mad at you.49:06They’re mad at the battlefield is uneven. And you can be a woman and be angry with men and also still admit that, like, there’s certain ways in which we have dishonest conversations with men and then kind of tell them to shut up about it.49:23Yeah, I… Yeah, I agree with that. I find that like the I mean, in my mind, I sort of distinguish between like the sort of like low effort misogyny and the more like thoughtful sexist. yeah yeah yeah i just i i kind of feel sorry for these guys who are really angry49:44because you can tell they’re they’re low status and they’re really unhappy but at the same time like i have to mute them i or block them like i can’t for sure i can’t help there’s nothing i can do but do you feel the same way though like um49:58when like clearly like really down on their luck white people like are really mad about jews do you like you don’t i bet you don’t take it personally because you’re not like a neurotic person50:07No. So this is like, whatever. There’s no way to answer this question without sounding a certain way or inflaming certain tensions. So acknowledging that, I’m just going to answer the question. And the way I always say, respond to this kind of thing is, I’ve never met someone who’s like really, truly anti-Semitic.50:31who wasn’t also like really not doing well.50:35Yeah.50:35Like, I mean, like to the extent, like literally living in a trailer with like some other guy’s kids. Yeah. stuff like that and i’m like you know first off that life sucks so like the idea i’m gonna like punch down on this shit head or whatever i’m like every day this guy50:52wakes up like he’s got like a chicken walking around in his fucking trailer and like five kids and three of them aren’t his and uh a blonde lady with like simultaneously like a gut and no ass is like his like not wife that lives with him or whatever51:11and um that’s his life and i’m only going to reify every fucking thing that guy thinks about me if i start being like super punty to him and i’m like hey you trailer trash piece of shit blah blah like um that sucks and not every jewish51:31person i know is actually doing that well like i know like uh we we kind of tacitly admit this but there’s a generational difference between like maybe Gen X Jews and up or for boomer Jews and up for sure. But like you like I clearly did not get cut in on any of this nepotism51:49That was like available, like in no way, shape or form. You know, I I come from a family where like my my half brother kind of like stole a car when he was a kid. And his grandfather, our grandfather, but I didn’t really know him,52:10showed up at the hearing and told the judge to throw the book at him. And so just lock them up. Like, I come from that kind of family. So there was none of this bullshit for me, okay? But what I was going to say is just… I don’t know. What are you saying?52:27Well, the guys who are, like, the most mean to me… whenever i look at their profiles like like they’ll post about being incels or they’ll post about how you know like oh i’m never gonna find a wife and have kids and then i’m like that’s just like i can’t like uh feel hurt by these guys because52:46their lives like suck compared to mine so i just have to ignore them52:51I think the game, like if like, you know, so I do block people. I looked through, I think I’ve, I blocked more people than I remembered, but I think a lot of them were early and I was just like, I don’t feel like dealing with this.53:04I’ll go back and forth with people a few times and I always try to keep it classy and I’ll just be like, okay, well, you know, I hope you have a good day. Or like is like how I’ll end them or like, you know, I hope this was fun for you or like whatever it is.53:20And like I find a lot of the time they’re chimping out about something I didn’t say. And I’m always like, can you point to the place where I said this thing you’re accusing me of? And they kind of like fall off. So I can tell it’s satisfying some psychological need that they start like getting53:39up in your comments or whatever. But I think that, yeah, I mean, like, do you think that’s worse? Or do you think like a guy who like is married and has money and a job, who’s like on the internet, who’s like, yeah, I’m kind of sick of this long house shit.54:01Do you think that’s like worse in terms of vitriol? Or do you think it’s any worse or better in terms of the quality?54:12I mean, usually those guys, even if they do have beliefs that are like, I mean, I’m not like a feminist, but there are obviously guys who have beliefs that are like way more sexist than I do. But I find that if they have a job and they have a wife and they have kids,54:28they’re usually expressing them in a more… like a way that at least like allows women to have dignity. I think that’s like a big part of these conversations get off track. Even if you think that like women shouldn’t vote and shouldn’t be allowed to work54:43and should just like just get married and have as many kids as possible. Like I think that can be expressed in a way that like is clearly not coming from a place of like personal hatred for women. They just like really sincerely believe that’s the best way to run society. Whereas like some of these guys, I mean,55:02some of the worst guys are like really low status guys who are liberal or like leftist. They are like very outraged that, that like women don’t live up to feminism. Like they feel like women are hypocritical. They like, Oh, And they’ll get really mad about stuff like that.55:22And they’re really mad about no one takes domestic violence against men seriously. And like, this is like a thing you hear from leftist guys. And I actually find those guys are the most misogynist, like way worse than right-wing guys.55:34This is interesting. Okay, so there’s a couple things I want to back up on there. Firstly, before we touch on these leftist guys, you talked about guys who kind of like leave room for women to have dignity in their critiques and then guys who don’t. What are things you feel that remove dignity from women in the conversation?56:02I think when there’s like… There’s some guys who like to say that like women, they really want to, it’s almost like the MGTOW impulse that like women can’t really do anything. They’re just kind of useless. Not only are they worse at like working than men, but they’re not even nice. They’re mean.56:20And if I try to talk to a woman, she’s just rejects my feelings. And it’s, um, It’s like not not allowing women to have any sort of sphere at all. And if you’re saying like the men go out and work and the women stay home and raise56:34kids and they’re nurturing and men are courageous and that at least like has some balance to it. But I think there are like if you just think women are like evil whores, like I can’t I can’t really talk to you.56:46okay i don’t all right i don’t want to you know get too offensive here but devil’s advocate here okay so i don’t this is where i get lost is i have a third position here which is women are not evil whores but also have you tasted their cooking lately57:08like all the best books are guys um design architecture all this shit all this stuff i was told forever is like the domain of martha stewart where the fuck is this bitch now she’s getting high with snoop dog okay like uh guys got it going on in the creative department right now and probably always have been Now,57:32I don’t think that women are evil whores because that we’re like mogging you at like everything in life. But I like this is where I always get lost. I find that this is a straw man. So the very first time I talked to Crypto Gal, we brought up the whole like repealing the 19th Amendment, blah, blah, blah.57:52And she’s like, so then you got women in cages. And I’m like, hold on for like all of human history. Women didn’t vote. And at no point were they in cages during that period other than like you enslaved another tribe’s thing, which is a it’s not because they’re chicks. It’s not the only reason, at least.58:10OK, like I’m like, where in North America have women ever been in cages? This is fucking crazy. So my point being, you can admit that women are not disgusting boys. And you can also critique their cooking, for instance, it’s completely.58:28well yeah i mean i think that because of greater male variability like at most tasks if men are given time to train and work on those tasks they will be excellent at it especially if there’s some level of interest and like i mean you do have to58:44kind of be interested in something to really master it and i think maybe there can be some disconnect there but i mean i don’t know oh isn’t there like some value in the noble lie like let us have something like yeah oh for sure i wouldn’t be like59:00this would not be like i i wouldn’t even be talking about the cooking thing um yeah uh i was just i i just saw that you’re not wrong you’re not wrong either or and i was like hold on like um like like these things always end with like this like uh do you remember59:18like there was like a set of years that i don’t even know if they were all contiguous but there were like a set of years where like you would just randomly hear someone reference like the genocide against like uh black trans women or something and you would be like Is that why I’ve never met one? Like,59:36you know, you were just like, oh, perhaps the fact that I never use prostitutes is precluding me from such or go to Starbucks is like precluding me from this interaction or whatever the fuck. But you were always hearing about this. And I feel like59:52uh some of these things like we ran out of the one in five women getting rape statistics so we just have this like nebulous like if you question repealing any of the gains we’ve made even the shitty ones that are completely backhanded towards1:00:07men it means you want every woman to die yeah okay so the femicidism is happening what are other things that you think like degrade women or removed on dignity from them in like these online kind of like inflammatory conversations?1:00:31I mean, one thing I find really interesting is there seems to be like this disconnect with the way um men on the right sometimes will talk about the work that women do in the home and like some men will be like well because of modern labor saving technology it’s it’s really1:00:53only like an hour or two of work a day and um you know these women they’re very lazy and they’re not doing much. And then other men, I think kind of over performatively will be like, Oh, it’s the hardest job in the world. And I do think,1:01:07I do think raising like four plus kids is a hard job, but I think if you have like one kid and like, you just like stay home and cook and clean, like, I mean, I don’t have kids yet, so I don’t want to,1:01:19offend the moms but um like no it’s it’s um like for me like keeping the house clean and I make dinner every night and I make breakfast most days and I try to make like food you know actually from whole ingredients and so we’re not eating1:01:35like crappy processed food and stuff like that and it is it’s a little bit of work and when I was working full-time I did not spend as much time or effort on that stuff and I’m glad I can do it now but it’s1:01:45it’s like a part-time job it’s like maybe 20 hours of work a week and it’s at home and I can listen to podcasts and it’s not hard so I don’t know it’s um I think there has to be like a balance between just saying like well this is nothing and um it doesn’t really matter it’s like1:02:06should women work or not? I think there’s kind of a schizophrenic energy about that because there’s the sense that like, if women don’t work, then they’re being lazy. But if they are working, then they’re in our offices longhousing us and being really annoying. And so I’m just kind of like, what do you guys want?1:02:23Yeah, I mean, I think you can enlighten me on this. Maybe we’ll try to circle back to leftist scumbags later. Because I actually never talk about them in these terms. And so I’m around people who are center-left. But I’m not hanging around those people. So I’m a little out of touch.1:02:44So it wouldn’t occur to me to say anything shitty about them in the first place. But sticking on what we’re talking about now… you have in your profile that you’re what a 1790s liberal is this right yeah you spoke a little bit on deep left just about and i’ve seen you post about like1:03:05people’s misconceptions about like mate selection how different classes got hitched things like this okay so i find people have this insanely like I don’t want to say it’s wrong, but you’ll immediately smell it for being incorrect. They have this very flat version of history that like there’s this thing where like there’s the 1950s,1:03:30which we all agree every woman was getting beaten with a broomstick every day. Her husband was a real piece of shit. He used to drink four fingers of like rye when he got home and he said nasty things to her and had forcible sex with her all the time. And before that, there was like, I don’t know,1:03:50you put like farming equipment on your wife and like made her walk around in the mud. And that’s it. And then there’s the 1960s came and now girls kick ass. They can be anything they want to be combat pilots, whatever. Yeah. um math uh fucking champions chess champions uh track stars whatever you want they1:04:14can do it all and everything before the 1960s was just like uh brutal and insane and i guess like um that conception of work doesn’t make sense to me because um so i come from like uh like poor like shuttle jews they were like not well to do they’re like uh often like russia and romania and um1:04:37like uh everyone all the way up like all the women worked like shitty jobs no less but like all the men had shitty jobs too so this like i don’t buy this like women were kept out of the workforce they were kept out of certain jobs for sure uh i1:04:53will agree that they were definitely kept out of jobs that are within their aptitude but there are also trade-offs to including them that um you know there’s certain shelling points where like you just get a certain percentage of women in the room1:05:11and all of a sudden a whole host of um things that are often critical to the survival of a business or the survival of human bodies uh cannot happen due to politeness or whatever but anyway um Can you talk a little bit about, if you know about this and you can identify if you don’t,1:05:32like just like how it probably was not my version of history where there’s like three stages and like the final stage is just the progress stage we’re in now?1:05:42Yeah, I mean… There’s a lot of diversity of how this is done in different cultures and different time periods, and I definitely don’t know everything. But I’d say that we can talk about like pre-industrial Europe and of course, men and women were both working and like 80% of people were farmers.1:06:02And so if you were a farmer’s wife, you were working on the farm all day.1:06:06You needed that much of the population doing it just so everyone ate, correct? Yeah, just so everyone ate. If you dropped to 60%, there’d be a lot of bodies, right?1:06:14Yeah. And because in Europe, the soil is thicker and the type of plows they use, men did the plowing. And some civilizations, like I know in sub-Saharan Africa, women do the plowing. And men are doing more animal husbandry. In Europe, it was kind of flipped. But everyone was working.1:06:32If you weren’t like a peasant, let’s say you are like the shoemaker. You live in the town. You make shoes. Your dad was a shoemaker. You probably studied under a master shoemaker when you were a teenager. You were his apprentice. Most likely, you married one of his daughters.1:06:49So this is a girl who would have grown up also around shoemakers. And she also probably knows how to help you and how to run your business.1:07:00In the same way that the cobbler’s apprentice or shoemaker’s apprentice was apprenticed in how to make shoes, by growing up in the house, she was apprenticed in how to be a shoemaker’s wife.1:07:12Yes, very specifically. And it’s not just like you sweep the floor and you make dinner. It’s, you know, you help work with the customers and maybe, you know, some of the, you know, lower level shoe repair stuff. And then you go higher up in society. So you’re talking about, you know, like nobles or something.1:07:31These women were raised to run households and to hire and fire servants and to really like keep the household running while these men were like mostly focused on doing war, at least up until the 30 years war, the nobility were still military.1:07:47If we can home in on that for a second, like a good way of framing this question for like normies or people who may not have thought of this in the past is like, well, would you have rather have been a nobleman’s wife or a man?1:08:04Yeah.1:08:06And it’s like, well, obviously you don’t want to be a man. Your life is in fucking suck. If you’re the nobleman’s wife, you get to order men around. Like, you know, like just understand, I always make this joke, but like, you know, we do have some indoor cats. And like a few years ago,1:08:24we took one in like temporarily because it was very obviously a person’s cat. And when my wife took the cat to get his chip read, she contacted the owner who gave us a bunk story that she was out of town for a year. And that her roommate was supposed to be taking care of the cat,1:08:45but we could just keep it if we want. So she’d obviously tossed the cat out on the street. And whereas previously I wanted to get rid of the cat, when I found out that this woman no longer wanted her cat, I vowed to give that cat a better life than like every homeless person in my city. Okay.1:09:04Okay. that that cat will eat better than all of them. Because they just think it’s like gross to turn your back like that. But my point being like, my cat has a far better life than almost every human I know. And I fucking see to it that it is that way.1:09:21And I feel the same way about my wife. And it’s just this idea of like, what is work and what is not work? is um all of this is just words it’s bullshit anyway um I I’m listening but I I just wanted to interject that like it’s probably better to be a woman in many of1:09:41these instances than a man but they will tell you that being a woman was an insufferable unmanageable job at all times throughout human history1:09:52yeah i find that i mean i think some feminists will say that i think if you talk to someone who’s like a serious like women’s historian even though a lot of these women are feminists like they tend to have a more balanced view of this stuff even1:10:06like the feminist textbooks will um talk about this a little in a little bit more of a balanced way i do think um so like the industrial revolution in a lot of ways like my kind of theory is like we had some balance and we had some equilibrium and then we have industrialization and it1:10:23kind of throws everything off because now you have this creation of this like public work sphere you have men leaving the home to go to work instead of owning a business that you know you live on top of or just being a farmer and1:10:39I think in a way that kind of like masculinizes society and the sort of feminization that we’re seeing now is like a, like a thermostatic reaction against that. So when people talk about today, men will complain, you know, the modern world is so feminized and that’s, I’m not saying that’s not true. I believe, I believe all men.1:11:01But I think that the, like, I would rather be a woman living in 1450 than a woman living in 1850, I think. because there was something that was like women’s economic importance and their social importance was degraded by industrialization. So in some ways like, like women during the Victorian period are often portrayed in a really childlike way.1:11:27And there begins this obsession with like the innocent, you know, angelic homemaker, which wasn’t really how women were viewed prior to that period. Women were viewed, I mean, people, you know, thought there were a lot of, People thought of women as much more sexual and much more capable of doing wrong and doing good.1:11:47And there’s this idea that men had access to virtues that women couldn’t really even have because men are more courageous than women. And you get this idea of women as being morally superior arising in the Victorian period. And I think it’s kind of like a cope for the loss of status that came with industrialization.1:12:07Interesting. So let me back you up one sec. Were you saying the masculinizing force was industrialization?1:12:15That’s what I think.1:12:16Okay, that’s interesting. None of everything you said tracks to me. I’ve never thought of it in quite those terms. Yeah, I mean, I… i see what you’re saying for sure i mean this goes to you know i was listening to razib khan had yasha monk on recently and i listened to that podcast yesterday and1:12:42um razib was talking about something he’s talked about on other occasions which is just kind of like people throwing their credentials around and he talked about how like this is like a very feminine trait and how um if you are working as like a PhD under like a female professor, they really,1:13:04really want you to use the honorific and call them doctor. Whereas like guys will be like, Hey, it’s Jesse. Guys are trying to like, kind of be like the friendly boss, which is maybe not the move. I don’t know. But that like women want to make sure that, you know, that they’re not your friend. Yeah. It’s interesting.1:13:24I definitely like, you know, I see a lot of like, the assertion like when people try to assert status and it’s not that I don’t believe in status it’s that like I don’t think it works by you telling people you have it like maybe in a caste system or something but like it better be true you1:13:43know what I mean like um you even if you shell out 250 000 for like a master’s or doctorate program that in no way tells me that you’re a better more capable human than me or whatever like we can scrap verbally we can scrap physically like i’m i’m game but like throwing a1:14:04piece of paper around and showing a receipt is like not going to do this and i feel like yeah this is like um You know, like masculine is like, don’t pull your thing out unless you plan to bang. And like women is like, well, you should wave it around a lot, but make sure it’s not loaded.1:14:24You know, like throw it at them if anything happens is like kind of like the attitude. And yeah, it’s interesting. Can you talk a little bit like less neutrally, more just like your take on guys who are like whining about like the feminization of society or whatever? Yeah. Like, how do they seem to you?1:14:45Like, again, are these all the same or like they all incel mouth breathers? Or have you heard like legit critiques from like a guy who does wear a suit and tie who is like, okay, the office is out of fucking control. Someone needs to get some Foley watered.1:14:59No, I actually do believe at least some of the men who seem more credible on this. And I’ve never worked in like white collar corporate America. So I’m just kind of going off of what people are saying. And I think you can kind of clock when like a guy is whining and like a self victimizing way.1:15:17And when a guy is like, look, like I tried my best, but these people are crazy. Like, I think that you can, you can kind of assess like where the guy is coming from. I do think like, Like, I don’t think the long house is like holding back really intelligent, agentic men from like being successful altogether.1:15:38Like, I think that’s kind of bullshit. I don’t really like totally buy that. I think that if you really are smart and like, you’ll figure out a path, like you’ll open a business, you’ll like, there are still professions that are more male coded. If you, you know, become an electrical engineer or something like it’s,1:15:54you’re still gonna be working with guys like, um, so yeah.1:15:59I think those guys are less likely to get held back. Like your husband de facto kind of sort of works in STEM or like,1:16:05yeah, he’s a software engineer.1:16:07Yeah. But if you’re like, um, a guy who formerly could have just been like good at the English language and gone into like advertising, all of the word sell jobs have absolutely been feminized, in my opinion. So like, I think this is probably the one thing that like leaks out if you’re a perceptive1:16:26person reading my ongoing saga here on Substack, which is that like basically like I am a regular, like I’m jacked, but I’m just like a regular sensitive guy who’s like into like reading and shit like that. music, like lyrics, but women are so insanely hostile to you in these spaces,1:16:50especially if you don’t start acting like one of them, that I think those guys are more likely to be marred. I mentioned this to someone. I think Megan, who I had on my podcast early, I think the exchange was in text. I think that word sell men1:17:10you were saying leftists i think word cell men are larger bigger misogynists than stem guys because stem guys aren’t competing with women because you guys mostly tap out of those fields and say no we’re not as interested you can go be my husband but1:17:25i’m not doing that thank you very much that’s not a knock on or if you are a woman1:17:30who’s like decent at science you become like your wife become a nurse like1:17:34Yeah, sure. But that guys who are like your main thing you care about, if you’re competing with 80 or 90% women, you’re probably going to develop certain attitudes about them. And this is also observable in a lot of gay guys who are also word cells, who many of them think a couple untoward things about women I’ve detected,1:17:57but they won’t talk about it in front of you guys. They will sometimes talk about it to me. Even though I’m not on the same team, but at least I’m a guy. But they have a lot of social and political reasons to hide that they don’t love being in like 80 to 90% female environments.1:18:16Yeah.1:18:17And a note out there to my female listeners. Gay guys love if they are in a club trying to freak dance on each other with like very hard erections and you come up to them and you’re like, oh my God, let’s do shots. And you’re like,1:18:34that they love if they’re trying to fuck and you just interrupt that game with like, you know, like an apple pie shot or a lemon drop. That is really their shit. And they appreciate it a lot from what I hear.1:18:49Yeah. I mean, look, I find women annoying also. So it’s not like I don’t believe you when you say stuff like this. I’m like, yeah, I’m sure that that’s true. I have no reason to doubt you. I don’t, I mean, what do you think is the option for the world?1:19:03So men, you just need like free association backs. You can have like men’s only marketing company or.1:19:09I mean, I think that would be a start. You know, I don’t know how you unwind this DEI thing in practice. Like you can write all the dots in the same way you can print a sheet of paper that says gun free zone. It is not going to stop someone from carrying a gun into a building.1:19:26I think it’s hard to unpack this because I think that one of the things that is very observable to me is we live in this. like what we kind of think of as like a generally free world, but like you’re never really free of influence.1:19:46This is like this big lie that like liberalism and rationalism teaches you to think, but it only teaches you to think it selectively, okay? So what I mean by that is you should really probably not think too hard if there’s a lot of rainbow flags at your local library, okay? There’s nothing going on here.1:20:06No one is influenced by this. This will never turn anyone gay. That’s not how gay works. Either you like dick or you don’t, okay? But that if you have a podcast where the host drops an N-bomb, That this is going to spread a wildfire of racism across this nation, burning crosses on every good, law-abiding Black person’s lawn.1:20:33And we should all make sure that guy cannot have a bank account or any financial or sexual success anymore. That we’re a little bit out of whack. Yeah. So I don’t know. I just think that, yeah, everything’s goofy, like you said. They’re out of bounds.1:20:53Yeah. Yeah. And I think that we’re seeing like those kind of mini backlash happening with like Zuckerberg. Do you see that?1:21:03Yeah. Let’s talk about that. What are your organic thoughts without me leading you? What do you think general, like what would be the top two or three things you’d be like, okay, I watched some of this and this is what I think.1:21:15It looks very like PR’d, you know, like very, like he had a consultant, like an image consultant work on every aspect of this. I don’t know what I think about. I mean, I think he’s just trying to ride the wave. And I think that the culture is moving back. You know,1:21:34there was like a backlash to the changes in the sixties that happened in the eighties and nineties. And I think we’re kind of in that period again. the reagan era yeah yeah totally if you watch like saturday night live episodes from 1977 and then watch one from 1987 it’s way more conservative and um you know1:21:58that’s like the when like dana carvey is on the show and it’s all white people and it’s like eight guys and like three women and um it feels very like it almost, you know, it’s like, it’s white guys being funny together and it’s not, there’s no like diversity or anything.1:22:14So I think we’re kind of going to, maybe we’ll see. I mean, I don’t know. I think we’re moving in that direction.1:22:21Yeah. You know, I, yeah, I think those are two separate things kind of, sort of, or maybe the way I would tie it together would be to say that Zuckerberg is doing like a cheap imitation of that vibe. Um, you know, like, so something that I don’t like that much that seems to happen, um,1:22:42because it’s a good formula for success, but like, it’s just not a hundred percent guaranteed is like this thing where like, you see like Constantine kiss in, he tries to develop this term woke, right. And if you ask him or James Lindsay or any of the,1:22:58it’s not that I am opposed to the idea that that could occur. It’s that when you dig underneath the surface, um, It’s basically, it just means people on the right, I don’t like. Like there’s no other definition that’s better than the one I just said. And so that’s my point about it.1:23:14I don’t think that it could never develop. It may exist now, but the people they’re saying are it, if they are it, they’re not explaining it well, okay? So going back to that, I would say that Mark Zuckerberg does seem to me like he’s doing a right-wing version of Brad. It’s feels very fake to me.1:23:38And that like, um, he, it just seems like that Steve Buscemi, Hey kids meme to me. Thing is he got like, I mean, I guess it’s a little overgrown at this point, but he basically had the broccoli cut like zoomer perm. He had this stupid fucking gold chain. Like, look, you see me on camera. Okay.1:23:58I’m a plain t-shirt guy. Okay. I’m a plain t-shirt guy. Who’s trying to exude masculinity. Um, This is an XL for the record. And I don’t, it’s not like this huge baggy fucking thing. Like I want people to know, like there’s something under the hood. Okay. And he’s like wearing this big thing.1:24:18And I’m supposed to think that he’s like this lifter, bro. And we’re just going to spot each other and play a little footsie at the gym or whatever the fuck. And it was just like incredibly, the thing that was cringe is like, I told you that guy, Sean Ryan. Okay.1:24:33Something I like to do sometimes is he’s a veteran. I like to, um, listen to these veteran podcasts. They’re extremely funny to me. I think if I was a veteran and I had to do a terrorist act, the act I would do would be going to make sure none of them ever have podcasts again.1:24:51They’re only telling these war stories. And here’s my take on war stories. Even if every fucking thing you said happened, When you tell the story, you take on this braggadocious persona that makes people question, why are you telling the story? I’m not even saying it didn’t happen.1:25:12But he’s like, oh, you know, I roll and I tear my ACL injuries. You know how those are, Joe. You’ve had an ACL injury before, right? Yeah, we’re just two guys palling around. And I’m like, this is like, it feels weird. Like where’s the trajectory from this like 19 year old nerd who still sounds like a1:25:3119 year old nerd to me, but I’m supposed to think that he’s just like alpha maxed or something.1:25:38Okay. We have to talk about what is the significance of him dressing like a wigger? Like why that look specifically? Yeah.1:25:47Well, I think he’s trying to differentiate himself from Bezos, who did the most logical blow up to me, which is like, yeah,1:25:56the midlife crisis.1:25:58Get on steroids, shave your head and get a wife with a rock hard ass. Yeah. I’m a Florida guy. That’s move. I pull it like this is. Okay. um i’ve seen so many greats before me up in gyms in new york and new jersey with1:26:13purple faces pack of hot dogs on the back of their neck uh shout out to dimitri and just um it’s it’s a graceful way of aging if you’re a certain kind of guy okay yeah um i think he pulled this like youth look i don’t know what he’s doing here’s the1:26:31thing i said to my wife okay joe rogan you look at him the man is not a fashion template okay i’m not knocking him i’m not either i just don’t give a like right like i just don’t give a i think that if you like have calluses on your hands like you you are1:26:48allowed to like float above certain things okay that man wears these ugly ass like uh i don’t know who makes his jeans and like a fanny pack regularly But my point being, when Joe Rogan is cringe like that, I 100% buy that’s Joe Rogan being cringed. The man does not give a fuck. He has so much money.1:27:12He has access to all the shit he wants in life. What does he care what you think of him? Zuckerberg is being cringed because he cares a lot what you think about him. And that whole thing was extremely weird and seemed very stilted to me.1:27:31Yeah, I agree. I definitely think I, I don’t know. I’m not like, um, a conspiratorial person. I was listening to the podcast you did with PJ and it’s like, how, how much of this is just everybody being on the same wavelength. And there’s sort of like a collective consciousness where people like Zuckerberg who are really calculating,1:27:51see where the wind is blowing and, um, make these changes and like, you know, and then it does ask the question like, well, Who wants this to happen? Is any of this coming in a top-down way? Because I do think with wokeness, it’s like the CIA became woke. That’s not like a conspiracy.1:28:10I think there’s always organic bottom-up purchase into these things or they don’t actually work, but I don’t know. What do you think?1:28:20I mean, with that, I think the way you see things like that work is I’m trying to think of a succinct way to put this so that I don’t lose the audience, but I’ll put it to you this way, okay? Let’s say, just like hypothetically, you were a boxer in like the early days of the sport, okay?1:28:44Like of like two guys, we put these fucking pieces of leather on your hands and pretend like it’s going to protect someone and like there’s rules, okay? Okay. you know in boxing there’s different kinds of punches there’s like a cross there’s a jab there’s hooks there’s uppercuts there’s all kinds of shit there’s actually1:29:01punches we don’t use anymore that like i don’t remember the name because they sound insane because they’re from like drunk irish people and it’s called like the wallop okay where you just like come over the top like all sorts of crazy shit the head butts elbows ruled out right so they develop the sport1:29:18at some point there were like five punches and someone was like now let’s do an uppercut that’s a six okay so you develop this thing and my point being that like there was this one of the reasons that became a punch like uh i’m guessing1:29:33Is there was a guy who started using it and dropping people like more than people got dropped before they use the uppercut, especially because maybe people aren’t used to it. They haven’t seen it before, but it didn’t just become a punch because they were like, we should have another punch. That’s not how things ossify over time.1:29:53There’s like a lot of things are trad, not because you should never try other things. It’s because we had a period of a few thousand years where we tried tucking your dick between your legs and you still can’t get pregnant. What do you know? So shocking. You have to learn that lesson again.1:30:12But what I was going to say is I think that through DEI, it functions sort of kind of like a search engine optimization where you say I want diversity and they say, oh, great. I have seven different banks of people I can pull from. OK,1:30:29and all of a sudden you had this thing that almost signed your companies up to grow in general, in terms of general population, because let’s say you used to have a company that could be like 70 white guys and an Asian guy. Now you have certain diversity standards you have to hit that really can’t be1:30:50gracefully executed with a 70 person crew. So you need to oversubscribe and get like 110 people, 100 people. you get this bloated thing you get a lot of useless people and like uh one of the unfortunate side effects is so again as i stated prior uh in the podcast i have1:31:07dated uh people from every walk of life uh every background including multiple black girls uh whole works okay so this is not a knock on black people what i’m saying is if you optimize for inclusion you kind of de-emphasize merit. And so what happens is sometimes to check the box,1:31:30you bring in someone who’s not qualified and you’re actually going to start a really negative stereotype about certain groups of any group if you’re bringing in like not their best, okay? And so going back to that, I think that a lot of this was certain like economic… gradients and things like, you know,1:31:52something that may be good for the human resources department might be awful for every other department, which means that it will get dumped. Those ladies have a lot of power. I’m sorry. And if they need to just hire someone because it’ll let them trigger a bonus and then they can go get a vacation to Cancun,1:32:11they’ll put a literal HR liability inside your office sharing a desk with you. Some kid who cannot read. And they’ll be like, okay, you got to train him. By the way, you can never, ever get upset with him doing anything, including showing up late or not at all. Have a nice life.1:32:30Anyway, what were you going to say about this whole process?1:32:34Yeah, I mean, I agree with what you’re saying. I think that it creates a lot of resentment. I remember, like, I went to a high school that was pretty much all, like, white and Asian kids. And when I went to college and I, like, met… I was in class with people who were Latino for the first time.1:32:53And my roommate in college was from South Texas. She was very smart. Plenty of smart Latino people. But a lot of them were pretty dumb. And I was like, how did you get into this school? And it was clearly affirmative action. And it gave me like a bad stereotype of Latino people because I just didn’t know1:33:12any very many before that. And it’s like, are you guys stupid? Like, they’re not like there’s obviously huge genetic diversity. And and I think in the workplace, it creates problems because you have to create basically these fake jobs that. I mean, there’s like the classic, like the TikTok, a day in the life of working at Twitter,1:33:33like the TikTok videos and they make men so angry because like, you know, if you’re a man and you actually have to like work all day for eight hours and you see this, it must be like super enraging. And it pisses me off too,1:33:46because like I always had jobs where you had to actually work the entire time also. And I think there’s this stereotype that like all women have these like jobs where you’re making a hundred thousand dollars a year to do nothing and like i1:33:58don’t write a job like that so it creates a lot of like weird resentment over this class of women which is actually probably a pretty small number who like have i don’t know i don’t think a lot of women have those kind of jobs i think there are a1:34:11lot more women who are waitresses or who do nails or no i agree with a target i1:34:17what i was uh my body language was reflecting that um they are a very prominent vocal and potentially powerful clique of women yes and so their force is felt very strongly but the main thing that i would say that like if you want to1:34:36troll men the way you would do it would be by 100 acting like you didn’t understand where they were coming and you were like what are you talking about why shouldn’t she have an awesome man Like, yeah, so what? They got to get a couple 30 minutes of sleep in the middle of the shit.1:34:55What’s wrong with, like, what are you, a monster? It would be defending it as though you don’t understand that there’s any differential whatsoever in how these women are treated versus how other people in society are treated. And it would be also recognizing that, like, In this either glory day, like heyday,1:35:14or this reign of terror that was like the Mad Men era of capitalism in the United States, even those guys, they still produced. They might be drunk, they might fuck their secretary, they might fuck someone who’s not their secretary. And their secretary has to know that because they just got done fucking him.1:35:33And they might be drinking and taking naps and shit, but they would also sleep at the office and grind it out too. And my point being, it is only after, again, I’m not saying this is cause and effect because I don’t think it’s really clean like that,1:35:47but it’s only after the great feminization that you see these things because I guess I’ll put it to you this way. I can imagine a super wealthy nation uh that for whatever reason still had more trad work norms where like we were in1:36:05the mad men days and was mostly dudes i don’t think that if it was all dudes the resultant thing that would happen would be like snack wells and pickleball at the office Now, it might be grosser. It might be like cigars and hookers. Like I’m not vouching.1:36:23I’m just saying I do not feel that the current bourgeois office culture very much reflects much of what like guys want or like an all guy environment would yield at least. And so I think that is what they’re attaching to the fetishes. which is like the acai bowl the multiple break rooms the sleep room the work happy1:36:46hour where they get like three Stella Artois or whatever the fuck whoever’s sponsoring their breakout those like those little things I think Those are the things that inflame guys because they’re like in their wildest imagination. They’d be like, no, just get the guy of Quarterly Hooker as a bonus. They’d be like, no,1:37:09you give him new tires for his truck and you don’t have an event at work because he hates his coworkers. Or they’d be like, give him a gold watch and retire him. It’s like a very male way of doing it. Whereas after the feminization, it’s like cupcakes and the acai and that shit.1:37:28This is just me speculating, but they do, I don’t watch them. I’m not on Twitter, but I used to date one of those girls. Wow. I used to date this really hot Asian girl who was always dressed impeccably. She did work long hours. She would do a 12-hour day now and then.1:37:47But if you put a GoPro on her and you saw what work entailed, you’d be like, what the fuck is this? She made a ton of money. And she works for Fangstock, basically. It’s all internal communications. And you’re like, internal to who what the fuck you guys uh like take people’s money what1:38:11communication what the fuck are you talking about like these kinds of things and you’re like no you i used to tell her to her face she had a like fake made up for girls ridiculous job but anyway um going back to the tiktok videos what what is1:38:26your take do you think the guys are like um overly outraged about these1:38:31No, because they pissed me off too, because I never had a job like that. I’m like, what did you have to major in to get what internships did you have to do? How did I not get that? It makes me mad. I worked the night shift for five years. It’s bullshit.1:38:46But I guess the one thing that from the guy perspective that makes me mad is there’s Sometimes on the right, there’s like this attitude that like all men are plumbers and like all women are HR executives. And it’s like, this is a little bit much like, especially then like guys who have laptop jobs.1:39:02I think there’s kind of like a stolen valor of like talking about men and have dangerous jobs and workplace injuries. And it’s like, all right, but you’re like a data analyst. Like what, what are you talking about?1:39:15you’re you’re right um i agree with you that i sense this a lot and it also frustrates me and my argument would be those guys resent a lot of them that they even have to do these computer jobs like like men desperately crave to get like1:39:32shelved in a fucking uh like frozen tundra somewhere in eastern europe like uh we do humans in general love intensity and Like there’s a certain type of person in your phone who you could call now or you could text them right now and you could be like, hey, I’m in a lot of trouble. Can I call you?1:39:54And there’s a certain person that you could send that text to who is thrilled. They’re at their job right now and they’re like, I’m going to rip this fucking name tag off. I’m going to get in my car. I’m going to do 90 miles on the highway to find this bitch.1:40:10And then I’m going to like save the day. this great story and I’m going to talk about how I almost died picking this car off you or like whatever the fuck but like in reality like you had a flat tire and you1:40:22just wanted to know not even could they change it could they like give you a lift back home from the tire shop or something like this and they’re dying for that intensity and i think that a lot of guys who uh go into that lark they’re doing so because they actually resent that their life has no1:40:40danger whatsoever there’s no intense the they’re most likely to die either getting hit by a car on the way to work if they even leave their house for work anymore if not that they will stroke out either like on monday morning1:40:56If they have to put something on for like a Zoom meeting or having sex with their wife. But there’s no danger. Seriously.1:41:05The only intensity. Yeah.1:41:07So they’re like, hey, they’re like, hey, sugar tits, I’m over here in the email mills busting my ass all day. My friend got the black lung or whatever. He got vape lung. And one of my other friends has diabetes now and his doctor is putting him on drugs. It’s real serious. Yeah. That’s the life most guys live.1:41:26They yearn for that danger that they don’t have.1:41:31Yeah, I sense that a lot. I always think men should just fight each other more physically.1:41:37Or duel each other. The hypergamy thing has been kind of not optimized. The internet is stopping guys from hitting each other. You could just go have some girl flirt with you online for money and jerk off to her or whatever. you know like there’s no point in fighting guys yeah yeah versus if you have like a1:41:59bunch of guys and there’s too many guys and not enough women we inevitably like hit each other to prove who’s who Like there will be some spat, like someone will step on someone’s sneaker or something, but that’s all just like the proximate like consequence. Like the ultimate is like, no, there’s too many guys.1:42:19And so we have to disqualify some of them sexually, but it has to be in a way we all agree. Like if a guy dies or his dick stops working from a fight, it doesn’t matter if he’s high status, like he’s out of the gene pool.1:42:35And I think that, yeah, we used to have ways of like sorting this stuff.1:42:40Yeah, I think we should make incels fight each other. And then the winner would get laid. And so we’d reduce the incel population.1:42:49Yeah.1:42:51Gladiator, gladiatorial fights for incels.1:42:58I could imagine… many women would still be revolted with the incel who won the fight. But like watching some carnage, if you saw a guy like just kick someone’s ass.1:43:09It makes you 50% hotter if you win a fight. I swear to God, I remember in college, I was like at this party, this fight broke out. And one of these guys I was friends with, He like, he broke up the fight. He wasn’t really in the fight. He broke up the fight.1:43:21He kicked these guys out and he got punched in the face and like, you know, he was bleeding a little bit of his mouth. He looked so hot. And I was like, I’d never thought that. So I really think win a fight. You won’t be an insult anymore.1:43:34yeah yeah this was like I mean this was like the Luigi Mangione theory right yes1:43:41yeah he shot the guy it made him I mean he’s like a relatively attractive guy but definitely way hotter because he shot a guy for sure also and he did it well like he you know he planned it out and he had his little I know guys think it’s1:43:55dishonorable that he shot him in the back but I mean he looks like a badass assassin like1:44:01A lot of the argument for why it’s potentially okay that he shot the guy in the back is how he stood while he did it. It was a very, what are the… Like a sniper. It was like a matador vibe. No, no, not like a sniper at all.1:44:18A sniper would have taken that shot from a mile and a half away. Okay, okay, okay, okay. no no no you’re like yeah no one would have uh even seen the guy no he did it like a matador yeah if anything it’s that he just did it right in the middle of everyone1:44:37yeah it’s huge nuts component like i’m always on about this but like um there’s like maybe it’s a thick line but there’s a proximity between like being autistic like just being willing to do things in public that other people wouldn’t do and like absolute chat quarterback shit that gets the girl yeah1:44:59sometimes there is a bumbling guy who like maybe he is getting harassed or something he fucking snaps and like hits a guy and then it’s like married is the next thing he knows but like you never know if the guy doesn’t like lose his shit and like no you’re right i totally agree1:45:20This has been an interesting conversation. Do you have anything in the works that we should be aware of or anything you’re looking to plug?1:45:31I mean, I’m writing some stuff, but I don’t know what I’m going to finish first. I have some history books that I’m reading. I might write some stuff about that. I have some more personal memoir-ish type stuff that I don’t know if I’m going to1:45:50put it out or not i’m kind of self-conscious and maybe i’ll turn on the paywall and1:45:54uh the paywall is a good feature yeah my pay subscribers are always going up and down all the time oh okay like stay in the same place like people come and people go yeah that’s okay yeah a lot of the paywall is just for stuff like that where1:46:09like there’s people send you but they find out like your real email and they send you like a shitty email over there or something yeah1:46:19And I feel like when you, if you talk about political issues at all, and then you try to like publish something personal, people will use like the personal details about your life, like against you.1:46:28That’s true. I mean, I would say that in general, people fabricate details about you. This one happens to me all the time. I, you know, I meant to do a post about this and like, uh, I think I’m usually merciful, actually, which is a problem. You get way more hits if you start to beef with someone.1:46:52But I should do a post on, like, types of annoying people on subs back. And there’s, like, you could do a bingo card of, like, some of the behaviors. But I can tell you for one thing, temporarily, they usually occur early morning on Saturdays or Sundays.1:47:08Mm-hmm.1:47:09Yeah. It’s a type of guy. He’s usually not exclusively, but usually a middle-aged white guy. Um, gen X territory. He could be boomer, but I would say like gen X, uh, territory. And there are certain things like, uh, rhetorical tactics they will use apropos of absolutely nothing, including like, uh,1:47:33Well, I’m actually married and it’s like a breathing woman who’s real. We’re like defending that like they have married someone. Something like this is like usually a defense when like you haven’t even brought it up or talked about it. Like maybe you’ve insinuated they don’t understand women so well.1:47:52So they’re like, well, I convinced this bitch over here to marry me. It’s like a response usually. And I’m like, what? Like we’re not even… Okay, I’m sure it’s a lovely, she’s really got the better end of the stick on this one. Thank you for that. Yeah, there’s certain ones. It’s like saying that you were married,1:48:11accusing you of having a bad sex life, accusing you of being poor, accusing you of being either a fat, unfuckable man or some old ass or something. Yeah.1:48:22that lady who called you fat i was like that’s so dumb i do some research like i would have gone for bald right away you know bitch like he’s a 40 year old jewish1:48:31guy he’s gotta be bald i can’t tag her she blocked me uh shouts to that one there’s a few of them out there there’s that woman uh chandra whatever her name is oh yeah1:48:43yeah i mean these women are really mentally ill i think1:48:47Obviously. You know what? This is a great note. If you have a couple minutes, I’m going to stop the recording and let’s talk shit for a couple minutes.1:48:55Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let’s do that.1:48:56Okay. Peace out to all the regular people. 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