Source: With Special Co-Host, Wendy! Channel: Mormon Discussion Inc. Published: April 26, 2026 | Archived: April 28, 2026

Video: With Special Co-Host, Wendy!
Channel: Mormon Discussion Inc.
Published: April 26, 2026
Duration: 1:47:39
Views: 4,188
Category: Comedy
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Description

This is your chance to weigh in on the numerous important things that have happened in the post-Mormon community during the past couple of weeks. From the lawsuit against John Dehlin to Bill Reel’s debate with Robert Gurr, folks have a lot of opinions they want to express. And Mormonism After Dark is the place to express them!

Transcript — YouTube panel (human-authored)

0:04 Good evening everybody. This is Radio Free Mormon down here in the corner. See me. Here we go. Ah, there we go. Good evening everybody. Welcome to Mormonism After Dark. It is a special episode because it’s Sunday and also because we have a special guest host along with me, Radio Free Mormon. By the way, today’s date is Sunday, April 26, 2026. It is 7:00 p.m. Mountain time. And here is the special guest host. By the way, that’s the second time I’ve said it. The third time I said it, I will actually bring the special guest host on. But I wanted everybody to know that we are trying a few new things here at Mormonism After Dark and seeing if we can tweak this baby into something that is absolutely even more incredible than it already is. And one of those is we’re trying out the idea of having uh you know a temporary guest host maybe now and again. And uh we’re going to try starting off with Wendy. Wendy, let me bring you onto the stage. Hello. How are you doing?

1:20 I’m great. How are you? All right, Ben. I’m great, thank you. You know, this is one of the reasons we were a few seconds late. There’s this background noise on the um the headphones that Wendy has on that I don’t know what to do about, but it sounds like they’re doing concrete work outside the building where she’s broadcasting from, but that is not the case. She assures me there’s nobody out there working on the concrete or anything. Nobody’s out there. Nope. Just me here.

1:46 Well, there may be some people with bright ideas about it, but I don’t know if I’d be able to understand their directions. Let me put up You see right there becomes very loud. It’s like I’m in a Dennis office. I don’t know why I can hear music playing in the headphones. Scott, the music is okay. It’s the drill bit. Let me see here. Here’s the um the chat. Let me look up here in the comments.

2:12 All right. Well, here’s the thing. when you’re not talking, if you can mute yourself. Do you know how to do that? I do. Okay, I know how to do it all too well for myself. Hey, that worked like a charm. Wow, that’s quite a difference, I got to say. But why don’t you say hello to the folks? I know you got to unmute, but say hello to the folks. And we’re I’m going to switch this over here. So, I’m on this side. I’m used to being on this side.

2:37 Okay. Hi, everyone. I am so excited to be here tonight as RFM’s first co-host on the new MAD. And so tonight, I’m looking forward to getting to chat with all of the callers. It’s always exciting to me to get to meet new people that I do hear RFM. What the hell is that? I have no idea. Are you in a flight or 747s coming into SeaTac or something? I kind of think I might be. They’re working up there.

3:12 Yes. This is your underground bunker I’m in. Well, it’s strange, but on the other side of it. Okay. Well, I can’t I can’t hear it here. Wind’s in another part of the building down about 50 ft that direction. Okay. Hopefully, they’ll knock off for a while. They shouldn’t be working on Sunday anyway. This is the Sabbath. They’re breaking the Sabbath. Don’t they know that? A little Mormon humor there for you, Wendy. Thank you.

3:41 So, we’re going to try and do this today. And also, we’re going to do one other thing. Okay. So, this is the first thing we’re doing. We’re going to have a special go co-host with Wendy and the whole construction crew. And we’re also going to bring people onto the screen, onto the stage in a little bit of a different kind of way because what happened last time, uh, which was a week ago, Friday, as I recall, um, I kind of just opened up the slle gates and everybody just came in like, you know, like a flood. And I think that there was some positive things about that, but some negative things about it. And the positive things were we got everybody up there, right?

4:23 But the negative thing was is that frequently, I think more often than not than not, when people join the show, it’s because they have something that’s on their mind, something that they want to say. And when I let everybody in at once, and most of them have something to say, then it can be confusing and somewhat chaotic. And some people get their say and some people never get to say what it is that they wanted to say.

4:50 So here’s what I’m thinking. Here’s what I’m thinking is I’m going to try and just let people on one at a time in the order in which they come into the studio and once you’re on the screen we’ll say hi. You’ll have a chance to say whatever it is that’s on your mind. hopefully, you know, couple minutes, two, three minutes, and then we’ll once that’s done, we’ll let the next person on and they can say what they have to say and so on.

5:19 What do you think about that? Does that sound like a good experiment, Wendy? Hang on. I’m trying to figure out this mic on and off thing. But yes, that sounds much more organized. Yes. Okay. Okay. So, let me see here. I’ve got to Oh, what do I do? I go over here. I’m going to get the um the address or the link for people to join the studio. So, you can come into the studio here. I’m over here. It says invite guests.

5:54 Bring it over here. And I’m going to put this into the um here’s the StreamYard link. There it is right there. See it? So, anybody who wants to come in can come in because there’s been a lot of things happening. Two things I think are the biggest things. Diamond Dave beat everybody and he’s in freaking Mongolia. How does that happen? Anyway, I mean that’s that’s the other side of the world, isn’t it? I think it is. So, we’ll be bringing him on first.

6:24 But there’s this this lawsuit against John Delin that the LDS church has levied against him. I did a show about that last night. I read the complaint and now I think I have an idea as to what the issues are in spite of what it is the church is trying to say the issues are. I think they’re a little bit different than that. I think it’s about the word Mormon mostly. And also there was this huge debate that Bill had. I thought it was huge. I watched it uh Friday night. It was almost 3 hours long. That’s how huge it was with uh some guy. His name’s Robert Gurr.

6:55 Gurr. Not Burr as in Raymond Burr. It’s Robert Gurr. Gu R I think. And uh he’s a he’s a teddy bear of a guy. It’s a gird joke. Anyway, I don’t know how well he did. I don’t think he did as well. I don’t think he did as well as he had hoped to when he came into that debate, but I have some views about it and maybe other people do. And we’ll see. And if you want to talk about anything else, I went and saw with somebody like Wendy the Michael Jackson movie earlier today. So, let me know if you want to be starting something. Let’s bring up Diamond Dave first, okay? Since he was first in the green room. Diamond Dave, how are you doing? Good. How are you?

7:40 I’m fine. I’m going to probably take off this music at this point only because some people it really bothers them. Um, I’ve got no idea what they’ll do with the construction work noises. That may bother them even more, but it can’t be helped. I don’t know. I don’t hear anything. It’s very quiet in here. Hi Dave. Hi. It sounds like It sounds like feedback actually on your end. Yeah.

8:06 I don’t know how to make that stop. I am not a tech person at all. No, it’s fine. We will all get by because we’re having a special show and this is just part of what makes it so special. Diamond Dave, is there anything you want to say? Yeah. So actually um I watched the um the debate with Robert Gurr. Yes. Um I I thought that was actually interesting. Uh so I watched it on uh one particular one particular YouTube channel that I’ve actually been invited on their panel recently. Proverbs Guys Ministries. The owner Stephen who hosted it. Yes.

8:48 Like I I actually know the guy. So, I thought that was I thought that was interesting. How is it that you know that guy? I So, here’s the thing. I like to float between panels and sometimes I get invited on, sometimes I just show up. It like depends, right? But I like to float around YouTube and see what’s out there and meet new people and enjoy interacting with others. Sure. Somebody apparently thinks I’m Somebody apparently thinks I’m a troll here. You must be new, but that’s okay.

9:20 Um, well, I used to drill, too. So, there’s a lot of that going around. Hey, you know what? You know what? That’s fine. That That’s okay. You know, I’m I’m okay with that. A year ago, I I’ll I’ll give a drink to you. Con beer. Like, oh my gosh, that’s Captain Kirk’s favorite beverage. I know, right? Yeah. Um, but I watched that debate and I felt like Robert Gurr was missing Bill’s points because it it came across like um kind of more of like a fair Mormon like list of arguments was how it came off to me.

9:55 And if you were to watch like the Proverbs guys ministries, the Christians in the chat, they were not accepting it whatsoever. Right? There was literally one guy in the chat before the video started. He’s like, “Oh, well, you guys are in good company because the LDS are Christian.” All of the moderators who are Christian immediately dogpiled him and said he was in fact not a Christian and then started to explain why. groups like um like Theories of Creation and other things because the owner that hosts it, it’s one channel that hosts multiple Christian ministries on one page. Okay. That’s why they have lives all the time.

10:37 And it was interesting to see Robert give kind of like a rundown um like kind of like a fair Mormon argument list like I mentioned before. Yes. to not just Bill Real but to a list of Christians and like Christian ministries who were just not buying it and it felt like he was not reading the room. I think you may be right. They didn’t like the the section that Robert Gerr did about the Americas before Columbus.

11:11 Uh the ice age. Uh well, no, actually the horses. Um, the horses one got me uh because you know horses were a source of food and uh there are no horses because they ate them all. And I’m sitting here in Mongolia like begging them to ask him why are there no horse bones? Because here in Mongolia we eat horse. There are horse bones here. That is amazing, isn’t it? You know, I’m looking this up only because I want to see uh if I’m correct. This is the main mention of horses in the Book of Mormon, which makes it pretty clear that no, they’re not just like a food source. They’re they don’t go in the Alpo can.

11:55 They actually are beasts of burden. Kind of like, you know, they were in Joseph Smith’s day as well as our day, just not in Nephi’s day because there weren’t any anywhere. And this is where, let me see here, if I can find this. It’s Alma chapter 18. And let’s see here. Well, that’s what it said. Let me go back and see. Somebody in the chat wants to see me without glasses. So, here you go. You don’t have to do that. Okay.

12:25 I wear sunglasses because I stare at computer screens. I own my own social media consulting business and I own my own YouTube channel. So, the sunglasses help prevent the migraines from blue the blue light. I thought you were like Cyclops and you were going to kill us all. No, everyone thinks I’m trying to be cool. I literally just don’t want to get a migraine. That’s literally all it is, guys.

12:50 It’s all about Dave. He’s not trying to be cool. He’s just trying to I do not care about being cool. I’m just me. I just don’t want a migraine. Okay. Exactly. Protects your eyes. It’s Alma 18:10. Ready? Alma 18:10. Now when King Lemon, I heard that Ammon was preparing his horses and his chariots. They had nothing to do with each other. By the way, the horses and the chariots was preparing his horses and his chariots. He was more astonished because of the faithfulness of Ammon, saying, “Surely there’s not been any servant among all my servants that has been so faithful as this man. For even he doth remember all my commandments to execute them. Right? So that’s really the main thing. But here’s the key and this is what Robert Gur did not say, but I thought, wait a second, isn’t there a feast associated with this story? And isn’t actually that’s where the horses are supposed to drag the chariot with

13:47 the king of the Lammonites in it is to a feast. Answer, yes. He’s not the king of the Lammonites. He’s I think the king of this tribe. But um that’s in verse 9. They said unto him, “Behold, he’s feeding thy horses.” Now the king had commanded his servants previous to the time of the watering of their flocks that they should prepare his horses and chariots. There it is again. They have nothing to do with each other, though. And conduct him forth to the land of Nephi. Wait a second. The horses and the chariots are going to be conducting the king forth to the land of Nephi.

14:19 Okay. I mean, it sounds like the horses are pulling the chariots, but what do I know? Four, and this is the last bit of verse 9. For there had been a great feast appointed at the land of Nephi by the father of Lemoni, who was king over all the land. Now, I bet you it is this feast that’s referred to in verse 9, to which Robert Gurr was referring when he said, “Yeah, they eat horses. They had they had a feast with horses.”

14:47 So, the horses were dragging the chariots, but they didn’t know they were going to their own doom. Not where they eat, but where they are eaten. Yeah. And as chat pointed out, Robert Gurr did defend um PDF files since we’re within the first seven minutes. He did openly defend them, right? Uh CSA, he actually did defend it during the live stream and then he doubled down on it. And can you tell me about the PDF files?

15:20 Pedos child. Oh, you’re talking that was painful. That was like for me that was brutal because like I have said on this podcast and other podcasts, I appreciate when people double down even on their stupidity. And when he doubled down on that, I instantly regretted having that mentality because I’m like, “Wow, dude.” Like, I don’t know how you could do that. The whole thing was this is that uh it gets into the issue about you know Joseph Smith and the polygamy and um he doubles down says it was great, it was fine, it was wonderful. They were being married at seven months old out there on the frontier. This was very common.

16:02 Everybody had multiple kid wives. Um but uh the live chat was going crazy as that was the live chat was going crazy. The Christians were very upset. And I’ve actually encountered Robert Gur upset. I was upset. And like I I’ve actually Yeah. I I actually encountered Robert Gurr when I was a moderator for Mormons versus Christians. There’s actually a Facebook group and it’s it’s a debate group, but in reality it’s people insulting each other and swearing at each other. And that’s mainly why I joined because it’s chaos, right? Um, so I found it interesting that he would agree to a civil debate. Mhm.

16:46 And then I saw the style of debate and I’m like, okay, he’s being civil for the camera. I’ve seen the comments he’s made that were reported. Oh, wait a second. Wait a second. You’re saying that there’s another side to Robert Gurr? Yeah. I mean, you can like um let me pull the group on my phone. I think it’s called Mormons versus uh Mormons versus Christians or Christians versus Diamond Dave to give us some examples.

17:12 I’m going to bring Bishop Hinkckley onto the stage. That’s your warning. Bishop Hinkley. I don’t have I I left the group because it got to I got I left the group because it was so toxic. So I don’t have access to the mods anymore. That’s okay. Anything that you recall really bad what he said. Did he did any fbombs? No, but he did like attack people like very harshly to to his credit. To his credit, everyone else does in that group, too. So, it’s not just a him thing. It’s like an everyone thing. Yeah.

17:46 But the group is called Christianity versus Mormonism. And if you join that group, you can actually see Robert Gerr in all of his glory. Gurr’s glory. Yep. Who wouldn’t want to see that? No. Thank you so much. Yeah, that was an incredible incredible debate in a number of ways. You know, the part that was structured. I felt I’m gonna be honest here. I’m going to be honest here. Especially when Robert Gurr doubled down on, let’s say, child attraction. I felt like Stephen should have done a better job moderating. What would you have done at that point?

18:23 I think he should have Well, I think he should have jumped in because there were times where um I think there were times where he let Robert Gurr go longer than Bill Real did. Right. So, and I I know I know Stephen and I understand he’s not normally a moderator. I get that. He is a good guy. Yeah, I do I do respect him as a person, but I do feel like, and I will happily say this to his face when I’m on his next panel, I do feel like he could have done a lot better job moderating and especially keeping the uh the topic on track because to the best of my memory, the child attraction was unrelated to um the topic in the way that Robert Ger decided to go down, right? like Bill Real asked a question similar to that and then he went from zero to 100 and I feel like Stephen could have done a better job in reigning that in to focus more on what Bill Real was saying and to address it which it didn’t seem like Robert was addressing what Bill said at all. He was just going off a list of slides. So

19:42 after Robert Gurr had driven to the gas station, filled up his 5gallon tank with gasoline, brought it home, poured it all over himself, and lit a match, the mediator should have jumped in there and blown it out. Blown it up. I wouldn’t say blown it up. Like I said, blown it out. Blown out the match. Yeah. Blown it out. I I would say I would say regulating it because I was uh at least from the channel I was watching it on. I didn’t see it from Bill Real’s perspective. I was watching it from the uh Christian channel and even the moderators were pretty upset with what Robert Gerr was saying and I feel like if the moderators of your channel are extremely upset as a channel owner you should listen to your moderators and do a better job in kind of uh you know I wouldn’t say restricting but more just guiding the conversation or stepping in. H I see. Very good. Hey, Bishop Hinkckley, how are you doing? We got somebody up here from Washington. We got somebody from Mongolia. And we got somebody from Tennessee.

20:51 Hi, Nathan. We’re over here enjoying our Sabbath day playing some cards with all my exo friends. Oh, there’s Amy. How you guys doing? Amy, good. Hey, Winnie. You You are lovely. We met you at Thrive and uh so much more uh better to look at than RFM and definitely better than Dave. Hey Dave, how you doing? I’m doing good, man. I have not seen you in over a year. How have you been good sir?

21:22 Well, just just living the good life. Just playing a lot of cards. What cards are you playing? Oh, uh this is a little game called Sky Joe. It’s kind of fun. But uh I did have a one thing to uh ask you guys. So uh I I feel like Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Yes. Yep. Okay. Is that Is that a cat behind you? I’ve had a couple posts go. Sorry. What is that? Is that a cat behind you in the window?

21:59 Is that a cat? No. No cats. Okay. Uh we’re at we’re at my uh sister-in-law’s house. But anyways, so I’ve had a couple posts go viral uh somewhat viral. I’ve had, you know, 50 60 70 shares, which that’s not normal for me recently. And I was just wondering like as I click through and see some of the comments from the pro Mormon side, I’ve just noticed that there are so many of them that have like one friend, five friends, or like one post. And it’s like, okay, this is obviously a a bot or something. I’m just wondering like, have you guys seen this? What is the church doing to like integrate their comments into these things? Um, it’s definitely not real people, you know? It’s like I can answer that.

23:00 Friends who who has five friends on Facebook, right? So, I’m just uh Have you seen that? Is that normal? No, that that is that is not that that is not normal from my experience. Like my Facebook account is locked, but if I were to unlock it, I’ve got like 3,4,000 friends. It’s like 3,800 to 4,000 friends of people I know, people I’ve met from traveling, people I’ve met at events, uh friends of friends, right? Um that’s not that’s not normal. I will say I don’t believe it is the church itself.

23:38 Um, as you guys know, I used to hang around Ward Radio. I do know many people who are like TBMs and who are of the Ward Radio mentality. They have many bot accounts for this purpose. Not saying it’s Ward Radio specifically, but just in general like TBMs who want to troll, right? They have multiple accounts with one friend, five friends. And the reason for that is way that the way that the Facebook algorithm works, right? If you have zero friends and no posts, like Facebook can just delete your account because you have zero friends because it’s considered inactive even if you post, right? You have no connections.

24:25 Facebook can autodee it. But if you have one friend or five friends, by the coding, the technical definition, it it’s seen as a valid account. Does that make sense? Bishop, am I lagging or is he lagging? He is. Okay, he’s lagging. Okay. I’m sorry. I I don’t I don’t have great uh I I’ll just make this comment and get out of the show, but u it seems like so many of the comments, they’re not identical to each other, but that they’re very similar and very strange and I think there’s some business going on. But anyways, great.

25:22 Great. I’ve noticed that too about the comments. Well, it could all always just be Mormonism too because there is a hive mind and there are just a handful of certain responses that are always given. Yeah. But they all say the same thing in a different way. Yes. My best guess is their bot accounts or their bought and paid for by bot farms. And if you guys want some homework, you can look it up. But there are bot farms in like Thailand and Cambodia where you can pay for engagement.

26:00 And if you do like Google images, it’s literally one guy and a bunch of phones like along a wall, right? And it’s copy pasted messages from multiple accounts, right? And the the idea behind it is if you pay for this engagement, likes and comments, it’s going to drive up your views because the more interaction you get, the more views you get. The problem with that is is people don’t realize that it’s not just based on that. It’s based on the viability of the accounts that are making it, right? So if I were to like make a a thousand bot com, you know, or bot YouTube accounts and promote Radio Free Mormon, it would actually hurt Radio Free Mormon because each account is not considered viable.

26:54 It’s a fake account. Okay. Well, thank you. Hey, Bishop Hinkckley, you came aboard and asked the right question because we had the right person on the stage who could answer it for you, and it sure wasn’t me. Did you want to say something, Wendy? Good to see you. Yes, I Hang on, Nathan, before you go. I was going to tell you RFM, who is not a country fan, got to hear you sing a little bit of the chair this morning at breakfast.

27:26 And I didn’t completely empty my stomach, so it was pretty good. You do a great You do a great job with that song. Okay, Bishop Hinkley, I will tell you what Wendy was saying. She was showing it to me. She was showing it to me because I think you’re friends or something on Facebook and uh but your video came up of you singing some kind of song and I don’t know it because you know it’s country and uh was it Merl Haggard? Is that who it was? Who had George Strait? That’s right. straight and she is just telling me about you singing it as you’re singing it because I don’t know she is Wendy’s saying you are nailing it you are ex you are nailing George Strait singing that song didn’t you say that yes I mean just perfectly well Bishop I was very impressed I appreciate that Wendy I appreciate that I love country music and we’re gonna have we’re gonna have to bring RFM up the speed a little bit better.

28:26 Oh, no. Yes, I think so. I’m I’m a little bit rock and roll. Thank you, Bishop. Yes, you can stay as long as you want. By the way, we’re going to bring on somebody from Bakersfield. We don’t usually have somebody from Bakersfield. There’s one if one of Tim Wthbone’s cats had gotten loose and made its way to Nashville and was clawing at your window trying to get in behind you. Hi, Tim.

28:49 Hi. I think the problem with Wendy’s connection is something’s not shielded and it’s picking up the hum from 60 cycle. So there’s something wrong. Okay. So I know exactly. So here’s here’s what Tim is saying. Yeah. When wires touch computers when wires touch computers or metal, it can make feedback. Make sure wires are not touching anything electronic because those are not shielded.

29:20 Well, there’s no wires to the headphones. Those are wireless. And I’m not sure what else would be with wires on it there. That might be I wish I knew everything. I wish I knew everything. I would I would I would lose my mind if I knew everything. Yeah, that happened to Spock once. That’s true. They thought he was a goner. Remember? He’s like the Hulk trying to snap the the gauntlet. But um anyway anyway Tim, how are things in Bakersfield?

29:54 Nice and cool lately. Really very cool. What’s the temperature out right now? Uh 63. You got a thermometer right there outside your window on my computer. Oh. Oh, yeah. I guess you could do that, too. I’m sorry. What was it again? I was so impressed you had a thermometer outside your window. I didn’t hear this the temperature. 63 degrees. 63. It’s 66 up here. I can tell by because I can now look at my computer. Okay.

30:25 I’m learning lots of tonight. What is Oh, there’s one of those wrap scallions. Those kitty cats. This is beauty. She’s had three litters with me and we got her finally got her fixed. She’s had three litters with you. Yeah. Um, what do the kittens look like? black and white like her. Okay. Yeah. I found her in the I a friend of mine said there’s a cat in the alley having kittens and I went and I immediately grabbed her, swooped her and her four kittens up and brought her into my apartment and she’s been with me about five years now or something like that. I can’t remember.

31:08 Are there any humane societies in Bakersfield? Yes, there are. Any places where I don’t know cats can go to get fixed? She’s fixed now. I got her fixed. Okay. Yeah, she got fixed a couple years ago. Yeah. Good. Good. Um, what’s on your mind, Tim? Well, um, John Delin is sure you’re getting a lot of free advertising. Yes, he is. This whole Yes, he is, isn’t he? I just love it. I just uh you know the big wigs at uh the church headquarters couldn’t see that coming. I guess no.

31:53 It’s just going to get worse when the the regular media gets a hold of this. Yes. Have you downloaded the whole lawsuit and the attachments yet? No, I I have the lawsuit. They had some of the attachments in there which um kind of clarified what it was they were talking about. That helped Okay. There’s four or five on the website and the orders. You have to pay. Yeah. The exhibits, but you have to pay to get the orders and stuff, but I just downloaded everything that I didn’t have to pay for. So, Okay.

32:22 Very good. Was there anything in those that you wanted to bring to our attention, Tim? Well, they the that from the very beginning, they’re not being honest. They’re only as honest as they know how to be, right? They they’re not saying that John has complied with some of these things, but we’re going to say he hasn’t because we want to look like the good guy and make him look like the bad guy. Yeah. Yeah.

32:47 I really think that John did ac all that’s left is unreasonable demands. So, they want to make it look like he won’t ac. Yes. Precisely. Yeah. So, anything else, Tim? Well, I thought the conversation with Mr. Robert Gurr was uh very absurd. The moderator did not jump in when he should have to stop him from obfiscating, which he did all the time, which he done with me when I talked to Robert on Facebook, and he called me a center predition because I disagreed with him.

33:29 Remember this though that everything that he’s saying he got from his father. I knew his father at BYU and everything he’s saying he stole from his dad. So Oh, he wasn’t a professor. You knew him at BYU as a student at No, he he was he was at farms or the ancient I I had a cousin who worked in ar the archaeology department and Gur was part of that department. Okay. And I talked to him somewhat and realized how much of an idiot he was when he was telling me some things. But everything that that Robert says he got from his father. So nothing is original with him. Just want to let you know that.

34:12 The deal is I see Robert. I don’t know how old he is, but he’s me at 25. Yeah. I mean, that whole segment that he did was America’s Before Columbus by Dewey Farnsworth for crying out loud. Exactly. That’s probably why Stephen was sleeping. Some of the people in his chat are saying the moder uh that you know, Stephen, the moderator was sleeping. I even called him out. I tagged him on his own page. I’m like, “Bro, you look bored.” Right. So, yes.

34:45 Okay. So, um, you know, I you know I think about Robert that occurs to me right now. I think Robert is great. Tony the Tiger. Yeah, I think that’s I think that’s Robert. He’s great. It’s great to have you. I’m sorry. Did you want to say anything else, Wendy? No. No. I feel like you should have a construction hat on or something. And maybe a vest, hazard vest or something. Why? Cuz it sounds like you’re working construction. It’s just a single joke. I’ll do it.

35:18 Oh, you’re the spill. Okay. The noise still. Okay. Got it. We got to do something about that next time. I’m so sorry. I really am. It’s okay. Okay. Because I’m kind of pinned down here. I can’t do much about it, but we’ll get by. Thanks. Let’s see who’s on here next. Alex the Aztec. There was one thing I wanted to add. Oh, there is something more, Tim. Yes. about the Mountain Meadows massacre is there are three Karens, not just one.

35:47 There’s Kirens. There’s three. When When we went out with Barbara Jones Brown last February, a year ago Yeah. to the site, she told I knew that there were two and she told me, “No, there’s three.” And they are about a quarter mile west of the monuments down in the riverbed. There’s one. That guy found him in 2015. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And he did it by following because when I read that congressional report at the very end, it had very specific directions. It was almost like a treasure map. It was a mile and this many yards.

36:23 And he says he followed this this thing that they had done with the the US cavalry, the army way back in the, you know, 1860s. and he followed it and he came to within like two feet of this huge pile of rocks of granite that looks like a can down there in the riverbed like you were talking about Tim. Yeah. He was standing on one excavation done there though. Do you do you know about that?

36:45 No. No, they’re not. No. No. No. And that’s and they’re both on private property, right? But they’re try I don’t know if they’re going to get them as part of the monument or not, but I think they should at least get Well, yeah. If there’s people under there. Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah. Yeah. Let me um Alex, I saw that you were your face was down there. I’m going to bring Alex the Aztec on. Uh oh. There’s Alex the Aztec. How you doing, Alex the Aztec? Hi, Alex.

37:12 I’m okay. I’m okay. It’s uh it’s unusual to have Matt on Sunday. Hi, Wendy. Hi, Alex. RFM, I am gonna go out of this a minute and try to come on with my phone and phone Bluetooth for better sound. So, I just wanted to let you know what I’m doing. Great idea. We’ll look forward to seeing you again here in a second, Wendy. Once she’s gone, we’ll just all talk about Wendy. Okay. So, Alex. Okay.

37:43 How are you doing? And what do you think about Sunday night for um would you rather have it on Friday or Sunday? Uh I’m indifferent. Uh as long as it’s just an opportunity to talk with friends. Mhm. But uh I don’t know if you were watching the chat. I’ve gone through and deleted the things that I was ranting on about when I was responding to Robert Gurr because when I reread them, I I read like I read as if I was a madman responding, you know, you know, old man screams a cloud or something.

38:12 But what the cloud you were screaming at though? the fact that Robert Gerr was appropriating my ancestors language, my ancestors history, culture, mythopoetics, uh, uh, mythology. Mhm. Um, the one thing that upset me the most was this attempt that he made to align the name that my ancestors gave themselves. Alex, Alex, I want to hear this very much, but can you explain to the audience who may not have watched what it is you mean that Robert Gurr was doing?

38:48 He had attempted to prove the Book of Mormon as valid by using bits and pieces of Aztec quote history. Um, but they were put together in these weird awkward puzzle pieces. The history didn’t line up. the names of the characters that he was ex explaining as being part of Mormon history or justifying or verifying Mormon history were not the right characters. Um he brought up qual Kawat.

39:21 Uh but most people don’t realize there’s four qual Kawat. There’s the demiurgic divine worker who is sometimes called a god. There is the legendary warrior from ages upon ages ago. There is a legendary king or emperor or great speaker we would call him. And then there is the last emperor of the Tula people who was known as is known as seak quit Kawat which means uh our prince feathered serpent. Quit Kawat during that historical period was the last emperor of the Tula people. But he had no throne. He had no capital city. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you fine. Yeah, honey.

40:07 Much better, Wendy. So, there’s a long history of him sort of traveling around Meso America and spreading forgiveness and all sorts of wonderful ideas. And a lot of people, especially Mormons, tend to latch on to him as either St. James or St. Martin or even Christ himself. But he’s not because Quakawat lived anywhere between 600 AD to 900 AD if he existed at all. But what really upset me was he tried to line up the name that my ancestors gave themselves, Mashika, with some Hebrew word that I didn’t quite catch. Some Hebrew name. Um, should I continue? Can you hear me, Wendy? I can hear you, but I can’t hear Alex.

41:03 You’re going to have to go out and come back in again. Okay. Yeah. He’s telling us this story about his experience watching the debate. Okay. Keep going. And I just can’t hear you. Okay. Well, anyway, it’s the the explanation that he gave that Mashika was somehow related to some Hebrew word, Mishaim or Mish Mishakim or whatever it was. I don’t quite remember what he said. Yeah.

41:31 I mean, it was on the screen and I I I was just I was so angry that I just I felt blood coming out of my ears. Mhm. The word Mishika comes from the patron god or patron lord of the night of my ancestors and it’s me e x i t l i. It literally means the man in the moon. So meshik meshik mesh that’s the origin of the name of our people. It has nothing to do with comes from Alex the meshiko meshiko comes from the land of the mashika the land of the moon. In fact the valley of Mexico is the valley of the moon.

42:20 I think I had that. So, Lake Teshko used to be called Lake Mashiko, but it was given the name Tesko because it was one of the primary cities in the Triple Alliance, which formed the Azic Empire. So, it had nothing to do with any kind of Hebrew \[ \_\_ \] or whatever he was trying to explain. And that drove me up the wall. And I I was I was typing like a madman, you know, into into the chat.

42:45 And I was like, “No, that’s that’s not how it works. That’s not the history, you know.” And on top of that, he doesn’t know how to pronounce the names that he was using. Like it’s not quel coal, it’s qual. And if you can’t say the TL sound, just use a T. So it’s qual. You hear the T quel. I didn’t. So quelat. I mean, I hear the T but not the L. Well, see, if you can’t say the T sound, don’t don’t don’t say tall. It’s quelat. to say, okay, you know, orit or uh chil instead of chok, you know, it’s it proves to me that he doesn’t actually know what he’s talking about. He doesn’t know the history. He’s never bothered to learn it. He’s simply borrowing somebody else, somebody else’s uh ideas that were sort of, you know, a a a grade school history book on the Aztecs and said, “Oh, of course, this proves the Book of Mormon.” And that I was infuriated by that.

43:52 I mean, I can’t even talk about it in a clean fashion because I was I’m still kind of I’m still rather angry. And I made the mistake of before you started, I went back and watched that section, but I couldn’t do it in one sitting. I had to keep pausing it because I, you know, I was shaking the keyboard. Just so angry. Yeah. You know, don’t do that. Don’t don’t don’t appropriate the culture um that doesn’t belong to you if you’re attempting to prove something that you know deep down in your heart wasn’t true and never was. And Bible bash you’re doing um what’s it called? the the scriptures that you use.

44:32 Um it’s not scripture minding but um proof text. And what he was doing was culture texting. Culture proof texting. And he wasn’t even taking stuff from your culture really. He was taking stuff from what uh about some Catholic priests a few hundred years ago said they heard from people in your culture. That’s true. But it was incomplete. because most people don’t realize is the the people who died first from European diseases were the elite.

45:04 The aristocracy, the common people didn’t en enlist in the army. It was only the people who were rich. And once the rich people were dead, the culture fell apart because it was the rich who maintained the libraries, who kept the museums open, who took the census, who did all the wonderful things, who kept the temple record, uh who kept genealogies, all of that. Uh once the rich were gone, the culture essentially evaporated. So there’s very little that’s left. So what the Spanish wrote down is half remembered.

45:41 And I think it’s it’s hard for a lot of people to accept that that that yes, the past is only half there, but we can through careful study imply what’s missing. We can sort of fill in the blanks. And then there’s oral there’s oral traditions that are still around that may or may not be as old as the conquest, but they may in fact be as old as before, you know, older than the conquest. Something you said earlier, it’s it’s still misappropriation by something you said earlier struck me because Mormons are so keen on ketal kat being Jesus, right? Yeah.

46:22 Because it lines up with the Book of Mormon. It’s too irresistible not to be Jesus. It’s got to be Jesus. But people who don’t believe the Book of Mormon, these other Christians, there’s books and that, you know, it’s like like St. Thomas. Yeah. Is that the one St. Thomas coming to North America? I think so. I think he’s the one who went to India and then he disappeared. So, he somehow got on I don’t know if he got on a boat or what, but he made it over here. And in other words, every religion, well, any religion that cares or knows about it wants to infuse their own heroes into that role. It’s not just the Mormons making it Jesus. Other Christians who for whom it would not be Jesus make it an apostle.

47:01 Well, it’s very easy for Christians to do that because there’s it’s kind of misunderstood. But what was happening on Meso America, North America at large, is that the priestly classes were falling out of favor. So if the Spanish conquest had not happened, there would have been a civil war in the Aztec Empire and it would have been between the people who continue with blood sacrifice and the people who don’t. So my ancestor Netzawa Walooyot uh was the king or I guess king would be the right word of Tesko which is one of the primary cities one of the three capital cities.

47:39 He created a temple district in his city to the lord of everything. The lord of everything was singular all knowing ever present and had no image and he also did not permit the sacrifice of any creature animal or man. So it’s very easy for Christians to tack themselves onto that tradition and the prince qual or feathered serpent was someone who was part of that tradition and he went from city to city to city to city uh a teaching on forgiveness on patience on juristp prudence and on uh not consuming narcotics and not sacrificing humans.

48:31 So, it was Jesus in 600 AD. Yeah, he gets around. It’s Jesus. And he’s got a very cool car. I got to tell you. Well, I could go on and on and on. And I could rant forever about this, but it’s something that that white man is very very comfortable doing time and time again, which is taking something that they barely understand and saying that proves X, Y, or Z. And Robert Ger was doing that hands down.

49:00 Yeah, he had a whole section on that. So that was probably really driving you up the wall. Hey Wendy, that wasn’t work that working too bad when you had the phone. Oh, is this bad? Oh yeah, that’s horrible. It’s even worse than it was before. I’m sorry, but the phone worked. The phone worked. There was no background noise, I believe, in the phone. Okay, I’m going to try this again. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Bluetooth connection. Wait, wait, wait. Wendy, wait.

49:29 There it goes. Okay, I thought it was gone and then it started up again. Okay, I’m gonna turn this off and go out again. Okay, sorry. Anyway, we’re going to bring on Thank you for that, Alex. I appreciate your you’re mentioning that. Let’s bring on Sister Never Mo. I’m not sure if she’s ever been on the show. Sister Never Mo, is there someone there? Hello. Hello. Do you hear me?

49:51 I do. I hear you. Hello. I’ve been on many years ago when I’ve been a faithful listener and now I’m here with you and Diamond Dave and Alex and now I’m a little intimidated by your your greatness. Um, and I and I so appreciate your your RFM when you go through these really long lawsuits and complaints and things like that and I could listen for two hours to you reading and explaining this um these this legal content and these legal charges. So, that’s a really um incredible talent you have there. I’m just curious what I have a part of a theory on um this lawsuit against John Delin and I’m interested in in in your thoughts and I think back to the newscast when we hear um Rebecca Bibliotecha talks a lot about how the LDS church wants to look more and more Christian and to attract these evangelicals.

50:57 And I’m wondering if part of the motivation and a large part of the motivation of this lawsuits against John Delin is targeted at the Never Moes, at people like like me, for example, who oh, they see these advertisements at the Mormon church, they’re looking up Mormon, and they come across, well, this doesn’t sound like the um line that tries to make the LDS church look Christian.

51:35 So, you know, I hear so much discussion about they’re going after John Dyn because he’s moving people away from the church. I’m wondering if it’s they’re also concerned about the impression that the greater non- Mormon public is getting. What are your thoughts, esteemed panel? I’ll tell you, I think they’ve lived in a bubble so long they’re just surrounded by yes men and yes women some and uh all they say is you know your crap doesn’t stink and everything you do is fine because you’re inspired by God and all they do is cheer you on and so you think yeah all your halfbaked ideas are great.

52:15 What does anybody else think? Can can you ref uh can you like restate the question? I think I understand where you’re going, but can you just restate it one more time? Yeah, I think a lot of the discussion about um the why the LDS church is going after John Delin is because he may be taking people out of the church. I’m wondering if the LDS church is not so worried about that, but they’re worried about the never Mormons who are seeing now all this outreach from the LDS church to never Mormons and they are like googling and things like that and now the LDS church doesn’t control all the conversations that are out there.

53:00 Gotcha. I’m going to say I don’t think so. And the reason for that is if that were the case, they would be going after cults to consciousness and Alessa Grenfell who have a much larger following and a more engaged following than John Delin does purely by the numbers. Um there’s also the dynamic too that um and this is kind of what I have heard from listening to uh you know our good friend Colobby Reddish who is a lawyer talk on Mormonism with the Murf about the the the reason behind the case um and having seen the different images um out of all the ex Mormon quote unquote or quote unquote anti- Mormon groups out there John Dolan is the only one who has any marketing remotely similar to the church. I think that any other any other aspects um outside of that like social personally and this is just my opinion. I think that’s more of a byproduct or a bonus, right? because the church is straddling maintaining the conservative Mormons,

54:13 but they also want to keep people in and they they try and cater to the liberal Mormons as well, but you can’t ultimately do both, right? So, there’s that dynamic that I think plays in. And I think that the byproduct of this is like you said, they’re not so worried about people leaving because they can justify it as the wheat versus the tears, right? Oh, these liberals are leaving. They were never one of us to begin with. They can write that off.

54:42 Personally, I’m of the opinion that this is more based on branding and like monetary, but I’m not a lawyer and I can’t really speak to how that’s going to play out. There’s a theory out there which I haven’t heard anywhere, but the idea that um they’re bringing the lawsuit for the purpose of bringing the lawsuit because they’ve got to re-up their trademark and maybe the law the whole point of the lawsuit is the lawsuit to show that they are taking steps to try and protect their trademark regardless of where the lawsuit goes.

55:16 But the the one thing that I’ve heard which is the opposite of that is the church is attempting to rid itself of the Mormon trademark or any attempt to protect the name Mormon by pushing people to challenge it in court. That’s another uh conspiracy that I’ve heard. Uh I don’t I I this whole thing reads like personal it like a personal attack. I think someone in the upper echelons of the church really \[ \_\_ \] hate John. Someone with less hair than I have.

55:48 And they’re gonna probably It’s not ironing because he’d cry before he made it to No, it’s Oaks. Uh they really despise John for for whatever reason. And they’re going to do what they have to do to beat him up and to leave him crying as best as they can. What do you think, Wendy? looking at all this from the outside. Hey Wendy, before you answer, I just want to say that Oie Destry rides again says uh in a super chat, “The fact that the brethren signed off on this absurd lawsuit is proof RFM is right. They’re surrounded by yesmen and have lost all objectivity.

56:27 Your thoughts, Wendy?“ Well, I was actually talking to RFM last night and was actually texting with John Delin about this a little bit and I told them, “It is crazy to me that the church is willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars over a word.” And then John corrected me and said, “No, they are willing to spend millions of dollars over a word.” And somebody who’s never been Mormon, this is just silly to me that they want to fight over this.

57:09 Absolutely, Wendy. And I am I am in another part of the country where I’m about 45 minutes from a Mormon road and Mormon meeting houses and an old Mormon cemetery which is of the Strangite tradition not of the Bringite tradition. So it’s a word that didn’t have the same kind of connection being an Evermo. You know, I thought you might have been up there around Canada by your accent, sister Mo.

57:38 By the way, does anybody have a TV or something going on in the background that they could turn off? I think it’s gone now. It might have been Sister Never Mo. I don’t know because she’s muted. All right. So, there’s Tim. I’m going to bring on DG from West Texas if he’s there. What? DJ, are you ready? Get yourself decent. Okay, here you go. There he is. DG, how are you doing? I can’t hear you, my friend. You must be muted. How about now? Much better. We can hear you now.

58:15 What happened to your hair? Did you like get a bottle of brilli? I was shorn. I got shorned. Were you? Yes. But it’ll grow. I’ve got some time now before the next haircut. So, you know, I can afford to go to the barber again whenever this gets long enough. You have no hair product on your hair right now? No, no, no. I usually shiny like that naturally. Uh, well, it’s been a it’s been an interesting day. It could be that could be the the shine of the nap I took late, you know, earlier on the on the stone. You know, it looks like you have some show glow going on there. No, no brill cream, nothing like that. No afro glow.

58:59 Okay. Well, now that I’ve distracted you sufficiently, do you remember why it was you wanted to join us? Yes. So close. So close. I wanted to ask um because you’ve been tempting us, you know, for the last week and a half about where you were the other day and that you were going to tell us the whole story and you were facing death. I was. Is that episode forthcoming at some point?

59:18 I think it’s going to be because the deal is this is that it takes 20 minutes to 30 minutes to tell. It was already going to be a bit awkward, but you know, I know everybody wants to know. I can give you an a bridged version of it. It’ll be like the book of Omni. I think you should I think you should give a brief version of where you were because it is a really cool thing to share.

59:41 I tell you what, why don’t you do that, Wendy? Can you do that? RFM decided to become a movie star last weekend. Yeah, you just got to decide to do it and everything falls into place. That’s the trick really. So, um, Baka Boy, Brent Baka. Yes. On both counts. Yes. Okay. Brent Baka Boy is producing a movie. And is he the one who contacted you? I can’t remember. It was his brother, his good-looking brother, David. Okay. So, David contacted you, and asked if you would be interested in playing a part in this movie. and flew you to California and you spent a day recording and you got to meet I never remember Julian’s last name Richings.

1:00:38 Julian Richings who played death in Supernatural which I love Supernatural. My parents are huge fans. Um so it was really cool. There’s some really cool pictures of RFM and Julian together on set. And so now I keep referring to RFM as my movie star. And this why we this is why he was also short, right? What do you mean? Look at Eli Wallik says in the Magnificent Seven about the um you know the villagers that he and his little desperados keep uh beating up and taking half of what they own, right? Um, if God did not want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep. I think that’s the line.

1:01:27 That’s how he justified it to you Briner or somebody. Let me see here. Okay, so here is this. I’m kind of I I was uh so I just have a quick question. Um, so this near-death experience, you mean to tell us you were not on a plane and the engine stalled, correct? No, it didn’t stall. Well, it actually exploded and put burning fuel all over the uh the wing. Oh, no. Well, we’re glad you’re okay.

1:01:56 Well, it was tough because it was a nose dive. It was a spiral going down toward the ground of Delta, Utah. I hate when that happens. I was quite composed, but there was this chick over here in another seed just screaming her head off. It was really annoying. You mean to tell me the firewall failed and it burned through the firewall and it burned to the fuel tanks and the wing was coming off and Yeah, it was it was bad.

1:02:23 And God saved me and the annoying lady. Maybe he was saving the saving the annoying lady and President Nelson was just a byproduct. I don’t know. Everybody knows what I was doing there, right? I do. You might want to tell people who don’t know. It was a story by President Nelson that should never be forgotten. So, this is from David Bakavoy. It’s April 5th. It’s 11:05 a.m. I get this between sessions of general conference.

1:02:53 Says, “Hey, my brother, happy Jesus day.” Because it’s Easter. My literal brother, i.e. Brent, asked me to reach out to you about appearing in his movie. They would pick you up and fly you to LA or San Bernardino as it turns out. That would they they would love your handsome face for the concluding scene. And I say happy Easter and I announced it. I’m not going to play that little clip, but um here here’s Brent Bakavoy.

1:03:26 And here is let me see. Is there anybody else? Every We got everybody else on board who’s down there. I’m just double checking to make sure. I think we do. uh he had done this uh movie beforehand, the Ronald’s Little Factory movie, and most people here have heard of that. He did most of that, I think, in his bedroom or a bedroom, he said. But now he’s got some real actors in this, and I’m not talking about me. I’m talking about um some people who are with uh SAG, the Screen Actors Guild. And this is going to be the um the movie. It’s called gum.

1:04:03 Already been chewed. That should sound familiar to most Mormons. A little less we hear, especially if you’re a young woman or a light gatherer or whatever they call them. Now, you don’t nobody wants to chew gum. That’s after it’s already been chewed. So, you need to keep keep yourself pure. And so, there’s gum there. This is a very uh it’s kind of a disturbing image to me, but it has to do with armpit sex and um the bad things that can happen as a result if you’re a Mormon girl. So, he sent this to me also. He says, “David Coochner, actor, writer, producer. This guy is playing the goofy, enduring Mormon dad.” David said, “I don’t know this guy, but his has a familiar face. Anybody know him?”

1:04:50 Yes. Yes, he’s very familiar. Yeah. Okay. So, some people are nodding their head. But then he did this. This is David once again. He says, “Julian Richings in the TV series Whatever, Linda.” And whatever, cuz I don’t know about the TV series. I don’t follow many TV series. And um and this guy, David says, is playing the creepy Mormon bishop. Well, I looked at this and I said, “That guy looks really familiar.” In fact, I think I seen this guy before. I think it was on Supernatural. I think it was years ago and I think he played death.

1:05:28 And that’s remarkable really. Not just my memory, but the fact that he was so memorable and he made this character so memorable that I could look at him and say, “I think that’s that guy.” And it and it was. I looked it up. I sent it back to David after he said, “And this guy is playing the creepy Mormon Bishop.” That’s what he’d said before, remember? And I looked it up and yep, there he is right there. Julian Richings. I thought he looked familiar from Supernatural Playing Death is what it shows on there.

1:06:04 So, let me see here. This is one of the scenes. This is I think the scene where uh I first saw him. I don’t know if it’s his first scene in Supernatural. It was an incredible scene where he’s at this table eating pizza at a restaurant in Chicago and everybody’s dead around him and Dean Winchester comes in and they have a conversation and I was actually even prepared to play a little clip of it, but we’ll get a copyright strike.

1:06:27 So, you should watch it. You can get this on YouTube. Great episode. I even remember that one. Did you really? Did anybody else remember it? By the way, uh, my parents immediately when I sent the picture of you and Julian knew exactly who I was. They are huge Supernatural fans. Oh, well, I watched about to the first six seasons or so and then I stopped. So, there I am. I’ve got my jacket on.

1:06:55 This is not the tie I brought. I brought a nice really orange tie, but had some another some other hues in it. It was too bright for them. Fortunately, they had a whole pile of boring Mormon ties and I found one that I could use. So, that’s the tie that I borrowed for the scene. You’ll notice no facial hair. I’m a high councilman. I can’t have facial hair. I had to shave it off. I suffer for my art. I’m still mourning the beard.

1:07:23 It’s growing back, though. Yes. I thought it would be less itchy this time, but geez. H. Okay. So, here I am. And this is Shauna. I won’t I won’t mention her last name. I expect it’ll be in the credit. She’s the producer of the show or at least one of the producers of the show. Uh Bren I think is the director also wrote it the script. And uh so I took a few pictures. I flew down there in Thursday, a week ago. Thursday.

1:07:51 Uh I was there for Friday. This is on Friday. A week ago Friday. And then I flew back on Saturday, which I’ve never done in my life. never expected to do, but here I am doing it. Dang it. I think I’ve said no to far too many opportunities in my life. Anybody else out there can relate to that? So, there’s a few people over here. You can if you can see them sitting there and they’re all dressed up like Hi, C. Hi, councilman.

1:08:20 Yeah. And so, uh, but they’re working on putting lights up here because at the top of the table they’re going to have the state president who did an incredibly good job. I thought he was so st president-y. He was amazing. And then they had Julian Richings who was in the other table. He’s a bishop, but they put him at the head of the table because he’s one of the main um people in the show. There is the man, the myth, the legend, Brent Bakavoy, in Black and the Hat. To his right is Shauna’s dad whose name was Joel, I think. And we hit it off. to his left is his mom is her mom and his wife which is um Terry and down there I think that’s Andy Shauna’s husband and they went off to Coachella sometime before we got done with the the shoot that day but I only had to be there one day they’re just shooting this scene which is scene 88 and obviously there’s a lot more scenes than that they I had to work on when I

1:09:16 real quick can I jump in just a second so the the so Um, I just want to call out someone in the chat. Great guy. I mentioned him earlier. He is in the chat now. The guy that hosted the debate between Robert Gerr and Bill Reel. Welcome to the party. That is the guy. Uh, first of all, that was an interesting debate. Second of all, thank you for taking time out of your day to host that debate. Third, I’m just going to be blunt because you know me, you got to get better at moderating. Yep, he does.

1:09:53 I like you, but I personally feel, and I’ve said this, and you know me, all right, I’m going to be respectful. I’m going to be civil, and we disagree on a lot, but I personally feel like more moderation should have occurred with Robert Gurr, especially when he doubled down on child attraction. No, I’m not calling you out. I’m promoting you, dude. I like you. Yes. Imagine if you like didn’t like you.

1:10:23 I actually like you. I respect you. That is rare from me. Ask anybody in the chat. That is very rare for me. Just don’t go. Very rare. I can testify to that. It’s very rare of Diamond Dave to do that. I hope that guy just doesn’t go back and watch what you said about him earlier in this. I mean, I’m a moderator on his channel. We’ll see if I’m still a moderator in five minutes. But like he’s a No, he’s a cool dude. I like the guy. He’s a cool dude. We have an amazing We have amazing conversations.

1:10:50 I’ll just go through this a little bit more if you’re done with your excoriation. Yes. Okay. So, here’s from the other angle. And you can see the table. It’s not too different from the configuration in a high council room if you’ve ever seen one or been in one. They took all the pictures down and they put up these temple pictures. By the way along the wall and here’s some of the people working on it. To the left there once again is Brent Bakavoy. Then there’s some other people who are working. Uh the gal who is right there in the middle and looking down. She is the star of the show.

1:11:26 She’s the main protagonist I believe. Um she certainly was here in this scene. And here you can see from my point of view, I’m sitting at this part of the table. It’s just around the corner from the state president with the white hair in that chair looking away and down looking at his script. And Julian Richings, aka death, is doing the same thing in the chair next to him on the right.

1:11:52 And here’s somebody applying some makeup to Julian Richings before we’re doing a scene or in between the scene. We shot the same scene, of course, a number of times from different angles. And I think RPM, you should tell the audience about you making Julian break character and laughing. Um, well, I guess they have to now. So, here’s the deal. Okay, so here’s what happened. All right, is I’ve got these lines. Actually, I have I have two laughs and one short line. And this uh this gal whose name’s Eden, she’s the one who’s in trouble. And it is, you know, she’s the reason they called the high council together. And so, she arrives, etc. Um, I don’t want to give a whole lot away, but she’s in trouble because of the armpit, you know, Nookie Nookie. And, um, as you might expect, Julian Richings plays the bishop who is very, um, intimidating and he’s really after her.

1:12:46 He really wants her to pay for this. Um, and there’s a place where she flips back a good comment to him, which is kind of funny, and I laugh at it. And then a little bit goes by, she flips back another comment to him, which is funny, and I laugh at that. So anyway, it’s my laugh because I’m laughing, but I’m not supposed to be laughing. It’s a Mary Tyler Moore and Chuckles the Clown moment where it’s awkward laughter. And I certainly didn’t do anywhere as good as Mary Tyler Moore.

1:13:19 My gosh, that was incredible. But um I don’t know if I mentioned this, maybe I did, but uh last fall it was that it was 50-y year anniversary of the Chuckles of the Clown episode airing for the first and I watched it. I was there watching it. I was in high school. Watch it when it originally aired. Yes. It was that long ago. Yeah. And so uh I marked it on the calendar and I made sure that I watched it on YouTube that night on the 50th anniversary when I would have been watching.

1:13:47 Oh wow. Yeah, I saw it on reruns on Nick at Night, but years pretty amazing or what? Katie Ash had never heard of armpit sex. You’re must be a newbie, Katie. Do you want to explain it to her, Tim? Uh, didn’t you get arrested for that once? No. Uh it’s where you have it’s basically uh masturbation with help the help of an armpit. The help of an armpit. Yeah. Where the the man puts his member in between the arm and the armpit and then goes at it.

1:14:31 Yeah. Yeah. I posted that in the chat because that was covered by other people a while ago. It was a It was uh there’s actually an outbreak of crabs at BYU because of that. Really? Yeah. Like uh I don’t know if you know Armpit Crabs. Yeah. I don’t know if you’ve heard of Jordan and McKay, but they covered it. Rolling Stone covered it and other people covered it, but they it was it was on like one of their videos and they cited a bunch of news sources on it.

1:15:04 Wow. No, Trevor. No more detail. down there at BYU as part of the the science program. I mean, I can’t at this point like I don’t know what to make of it to this day, but I have to say I’m kind of impressed because like I don’t know how else to respond. It’s like a car crash. It’s horrific, but you just can’t look away. It really is. I think what it’s a testimony to is if you drive normal sexual urges underground, they will surface in some of the most strange and unusual ways. Very obtuse ways. Yes, that is true. Oh, somebody gave us a link to the article. Oh, somebody popped a link already. Okay. Well, there you go. October 22nd, 2022.

1:15:55 Oh, it was that long ago? Really? Yeah. Wow. Oh, time flies. Thank you, Tessa. like three years ago. Did you think it was more recent? Diamond Dave. Yeah, I thought it was more recent, but I didn’t realize cuz that must have been Yeah, I remember that was when I was still in Utah, but I thought that was Wow. Well, some of us are old enough to remember the AIDS crisis in the early 90s, mid 90s. And I do well you’re you’re sign you’re significantly older you know but you’re also AI so we you know but anyway uh there was a thing going around among in the gay scene in the mid ‘90s don’t do it in the armpit and I unders I never understood that until much later why there’s also warnings against other kinds of non-penetrative acts because the skin is pretty is pretty nasty. Um, and it can lead to a significant number of infections. And if you’re immuno compromised, it’s even worse.

1:17:01 But this is this is a disease passing around among very healthy men at BYU, I would assume. But how far did it go before somebody actually put up a notice, you need to stop doing this? How many men and women ended up with infections before they said, okay, here’s here’s a new rule in the honor code. Don’t do faggic sex. I didn’t you I’m sorry. The what kind of what kind of sex? Frage is rubbing up.

1:17:30 A faggic sex is um etc. I actually know that word fage. That’s because I’m a defense attorney. It’s a prosecutor. If anybody knew it would be you and it comes from the idea also for tage when you like put a piece of paper over a leaf and then run a the side of a crayon over it or pencil. Yeah. Rubbing down. Yes. Yeah. I think that’s called fage, too. So, how \[ \_\_ \] up are the kids at BYU that they that there’s a disease spreading around that gay men had to fight tooth and nail to get the the word out to people who may or may not have be infected with HIV? Don’t do this 30 \[ \_\_ \] years ago. How \[ \_\_ \] up are the kids at BYU that they fall into this kind of trap?

1:18:16 That’s another thing that makes me so infuriated. Angry Alex on tonight. Yes. You know, that’s the reason I changed my my uh by line. Hey, D, I got to ask DJ cuz DG’s down there laughing. I look at you and you look like you’re from the touring company of Greece. I think that if you just kept that white t-shirt on, which looks suspiciously like a garment top. I mean, you’ve got your shirt open. You are looking like a total stud tonight. DG. What’s up with that?

1:18:46 Absolutely. Grease lightning. I know what you’re doing. Yeah. Um, oh, it’s it’s just been a it’s been a crazy week, a crazy weekend. I’ve got u a medical procedure I have to do in the morning, so I’m just kind of loosey goosey. Um, I don’t know. I can’t explain it. U maybe it’s maybe it’s because Wendy’s here and I’m just I’m feeling invigorated or something. But I’m glad to see that she’s the co-host tonight. And look, DJ RF can tease all he wants, but I think the new look is great.

1:19:20 That’s what I’m trying to say. He looks like a cross between Sam the Butcher and Sergeant Carter. But all of your all of your compliments, RFM, are backhanded compliments. Yes, they are. I don’t know that that’s true. It might seem that way. It does seem that way, but half of them are really sincere. watched you figure out which those are. I watched you flirt with maybe 6 or 700 people over a weekend. So, every single one of your compliments came with a backhand.

1:19:50 Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You think is that true, Wendy? I think that’s why everybody loves you. You’re just so honest at the time, my dear. Sorry. Or really? You see? Okay. I’m not always honest when I’m, you know, making fun of people. Just usually. That’s probably when you’re most honest. It’s funny cuz it’s true, right? Hey, Sister Never Mo, did you go to sleep on this?

1:20:14 No. And I do have a question. Can you explain the beard rules because I know like you’re not supposed to have at m there’s rules about the beards and you were mentioning it when you were talking about your performance and you had to shave your beard is but then there’s some people who have beards like is there a rule? um who hasn’t talked too much recently and I’ll let them take a whack at that.

1:20:42 All the presidents of the church up through George Albert Smith had beards except David O McKay on no beards. No beards after that. No beards after that. So basically if you were in a leadership position you had to cut your beard off. a friend of mine that some of you know, Bob Reese, when he got called was going to call the high council and they told him to shave his beard off and Bob said no.

1:21:13 That was a long time ago. Yeah. It used to be very very much derigur to have beards on men in the late 19th in the mid and late 19th century and even into the early 20th century. It’s quite fashionable inside and out the church. It looked distinguished. It looked fine. Everybody was cool with it. And then it started, it was the culture really, I think, where beards started looking maybe not so acceptable and the clean cut look was in and the church decided that’s what we want. We want the clean cut look and no more beards. Um, I think they’re loosening up on that a little bit. at uh conference. This last conference, I saw a choir from BYU Idaho where I made the comment and I actually saw a few mustaches on the um the choir members from BYU Idaho.

1:22:02 And I’m not just talking about the girls. I actually said that. But um no, there were some guys. They had the they had the porn stashes going. They were And so I guess it’s okay. Things are changing. I had a mustache when I was at uh Rick’s College back in the 70s. Isn’t it also against the honor code? Isn’t that also a thing at BYU? You’re not allowed to have a beard. You have to have a card for a beard card. Yes, you have to have a beard card. A beard card.

1:22:34 Didn’t Alyssa get make an episode about beards because her husband had to have a beard card because of his skin condition, I think. Yeah, I think that’s right. And like up to the very end they fought him until eventually somebody who was an actual doctor said okay yes that there’s a reason to have a beard for you. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know about that but that the beard card I had heard of certainly. So that sounds familiar. Alex uh J7B QB which is hard to pronounce says RFM will John Delin get lawyer fees reimbursed if he wins the lawsuit? The answer to that is I don’t know. The only thing that I know about uh law fees is that it is not common to get legal fees.

1:23:16 If you’re the defendant being sued and you win for you to get lawyer fees is uncommon and there has to be a specific statute that permits it before you can get them. That’s my understanding about uh legal fees. It is unusual to be able to do to do that. So the odds are the answer is no, but I don’t know for sure. Does anybody else have any ideas on that? It’s kind of unknown. There’s no statute in Oregon. Uh in Texas, I think there is, but you have to it’s a separate judgment, I think.

1:23:50 Yeah. And so it has to be a statute that addresses attorney’s fees in this kind of lawsuit, right? It’s got to be specific. Is this criminal or civil? Civil. Civil. Okay. And it’s a civil it’s a trademark lawsuit. So in other words, the question is, can you get attorney’s fees if you prevail as a defendant in a trademark lawsuit? And that’s sounding kind of unlikely. Well, if it’s a term of art, then it’s a federal case, is it not?

1:24:16 Well, they have terms of art in state courts, but uh what is it? Is it a federal case? I thought what what I’ve seen what I what I’ve personally seen. Yeah, it’s a federal case. And to answer the question, RFM, you’re the lawyer and you’re in the United States. I have no freaking idea. Yeah. So, they have nothing to lose by keep going and going and going after him because it’s going to cost them nothing except their own fees.

1:24:45 It’s a lot of widows might they’re going to have to spend from the the people in Payton. No, this is a federal case. It’s in the United States District Court. I pulled up the the lawsuit so I could read the heading for the District of Utah, but it’s US District Court. Yeah. So, the question is what does the federal law say on that? And I don’t know. But I know and that’s nine ten of getting there. Yeah. Let me see if I can put this up here.

1:25:16 Trish Perry says in her super chat, “Yeah, I stand with John, if you know what I mean.” Trish Perry here. I will testify for John 100%. for any of you. Done and done. #buck cults. Well, Trish Perry’s a handy person to have around if you got an inkling to murder somebody and you need a good alibi. Thank you, Tim. That’s going to get clipped. I hope so. It’s not bad. RFM, quick question. Mhm.

1:25:55 Uh, I like having Wendy on as your co-host, but is Sunday night going to be the standard night moving forward for MAD? It’s not my plan. What do you think about it? Uh, not a fan because it’s a school night. It’s a school night and I’m going to have to bail because I don’t get to sleep late on Monday mornings like I can on Saturday. But but you got study hall first period. You don’t have to be there for that, do you?

1:26:19 I do. Actually, I do. And just uh Wendy was mentioning when Bishop was on his singing. George Strait was in Leach this weekend. He had a big concert Friday night and one uh last night and so they sold out the football stadium and and it just all of was shut down because George Straight was here. So, but yeah, good singer, good music. What do you think about that, Wendy? mother and son have seen him, I believe, twice now. And I had tickets when my youngest son was an infant, but he was only a month old. And I didn’t want to leave him to go to the concert, so we gave the tickets to someone else. And I’ve always regretted not getting to see him.

1:27:07 Yeah, Wendy’s a big fan. I guess a lot of people are from what I hear. Right, Wendy? Yes. Country all the way. It’s a big deal down in these parts, that’s for sure. RFM, I think I have an answer. Uh, uh, 42 US state code section 1988. Prevailing plaintiffs to recover fees in certain civil rights cases is permitted, but those are Palestinian civil rights. However, it’s when acting under the color of state law. The LDS church is not a state organ. So, the answer is probably no. Yeah. And that’s plain and it’s a civil rights. So, yeah.

1:27:48 Yeah. It has to be specific though. If there’s something that says something about trademarks, which I’m guessing there probably isn’t only because the vast majority of cases, no, there’s this is not something that exists, an ability to get legal fees for the for the lawyer that you had to hire if you prevail. It’s quite unusual. It’s rare. So that’s why I say that’s why I I tend to think that it’s probably not in a trademark suit if it escalates. So that he could probably counter sue with unreasonable multiplication of proceedings and potentially damages could include legal fees, but yeah, there’s just one lawsuit now. It’s not multiplied at all at this point, right?

1:28:30 However, I don’t know. Uh they they might they might be working. I don’t know what they’re doing. Look, I’m not part of the legal team. I’m just looking from the outside. Are you going to represent? might be working with uh this statement that the church released which was materially false and designed to um well make Mormons feel the way they feel about John Delin and the way they’re expressing it with their anger and their dislike because um they believe the statement from the church that he’s a lying so and so and he’s deceptive and he’s trying to get people to think this is a Mormon church approved podcast in order to suck people in and get him to leave the church when nothing could be for from the truth. But that’s the impression that was given by the statement. It’s the impression that many Mormons have gotten who are talking all about it and you’ve seen the comments as well as I have. And I don’t know if that’s a counter sue for something.

1:29:24 Could be. Real quick just uh in the chat when it came to your question RFM about Sundays, it from the few people that have responded, people prefer Fridays because it’s a school night. Mhm. Someone else someone also says Fridays is for letting your hair down. Um I like Friday. I like Fridays, too. I chose Fridays because that goes with the theme. It could be a Saturday or a Friday.

1:29:52 Yes. But Friday is what it is. And Saturday I put up, you know, premieres for RFM typically. And so, um yeah, of you, Sunday is the only day that I get the full day. trying to give that up every week. Your significant other has spoken. Listen to her. Do I listen to you, Wendy? Do I ever listen to you? We consider the matter closed. Hey, Wendy, can you tell the story about why it is we’re doing the show tonight?

1:30:27 Because by that, I mean, let me set it up for you. Okay. We didn’t do it last week because I was flying back from California, bad traffic, etc. And then last Friday we were going to do it, but then this debate went on and there were some technical problems and it got started late and they had to swing it over and all this stuff. And what happened was I I deleted or I cancelled um the show because everybody I’m looking at the live chat. I was in the live chat. If you were in the live chat, you saw me in there making comments the whole time. But um the by the time it got started and with the length of it, it would have been starting at the time that this show would have been over.

1:31:04 Okay. Which would have been starting at 10 well 9:30 in Utah. It been 9:30 to 11. And I thought that’s not right. And I didn’t want to start it while Bill’s doing that and split people up. You know, that didn’t make sense. So that’s why I just said we won’t do it. And then I thought we’ll do it Friday. And then something happened last night and there you go, Wendy. And then I told RFM if he would do a call-in episode tonight that I would do it with him, but I was a little bit under the influence when I agreed to it.

1:31:38 And all of a sudden, I come out of the shower this morning and RFM has headed to the underground bunker without saying a word to me and put up a thumbnail with my face on it so that I cannot back out. That wasn’t why I did it. I just assumed that you wouldn’t have a change of heart because you were worried about me having a change of heart. Remember, you said, “Yeah, you agree to it now, but in the morning you won’t.” So, I got up, threw some things on, came down here cuz I have to come down here to create the the thumbnail and then the the stream so that it can be advertised and you can see it out there and everything. Um, so I did that. Yeah. Then I came back and it was like, okay, I guess I’m stuck now.

1:32:24 Hey, RFM, I got to run, but one quick question. Is the newscast still on for tomorrow? Yes. Just so you know. Okay. I understand that Rebecca got to back to the States today. She can’t seem to tell enough people that she’s been spending the last week or so in Rome. These things happen. Appreciate you like Wendy having on. Love everybody. Peace out. Uh peace out. Before you go, before you go, my friend. Okay. Yes.

1:32:50 You got five more minutes because then we’re going to close out the show. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Because I don’t want you to go anywhere because I’m going to show you these. You thought I forgot about them, huh? No, I haven’t forgotten. So, yeah. So, anyway, I’m doing these um these takes, right? These laughs, cuz she says the line, I know what the line is, but I have to act like I haven’t heard it because it’s acting.

1:33:12 And the first uh the first laugh is a snicker and the second laugh was a bark. I had that much figured out. Anyway, you’ve got uh death over here, Julian, who’s over here, who I really haven’t met. I I shook his hand, you know, but he’s been running around all day. And um I’m over here and anyway, I do my stick cuz he’s doing his stick, right? And I’m looking over and the the camera’s rolling and he is laughing his head off.

1:33:41 I I could not believe it. And he laughed again. He got up. He got up and walked over to me. And so I got up to give me a hug. So and he was telling Brent, according to Brent, the the next day when I was on my way back, that he still can’t believe that He broke character because of me. So this is Can you imagine a person like me and what a thrill it is to make death laugh? That’s beautiful. That’s just beautiful. Nice. I love it.

1:34:15 Only RFM could laugh in the face of death. Right. Well, the thing was is that he was the one laughing. Yeah. and and his line that he at one point he’s on the second laugh his line is is this is there something that you find funny about this brother Palmer and I have to say well you’re the only one laughing so anyway hopefully that’ll make it into the the final credits only dad laugh in the face of RFM yes so there I am sitting by the side of the table there’s Brent Bakavoy the director and writer very talented fellow.

1:34:55 There’s some more shots around here. There’s That’s where I’m sitting. There’s Joel next to me. He actually was a or is a Mormon. You can tell, can’t you? He really fits that that role. And he was a high councilman. There we are. Here I am. There he is. There’s all these guys. And so it made me think of this. Because I could not laugh at death, he kindly laughed at me. Nice. Thank you so much. So cool.

1:35:31 Real quick, couple things. Uh because we’re winding down. One, um some guy, my bad, the Fridays for letting the hair down comment was from some guy. He wanted me to call that out. to Trish Perry asks everyone okay? She wants to hear how everyone is doing from the panel as well as the chat. I’m doing great and I even on Facebook tagged Radio Free Mormon in a video because you like to bring up yaks and my mother-in-law was in the countryside and has a video of a herd of yaks migrating.

1:36:12 So there you go. There was a hit song in the 80s about yaks. I think it was like um You’re giving me a hairy yak. Was that Olivia Newton John? Hairy yak. You’re giving me a hairy yak. Remember that one? Oh my god. RFM. Yaks were big in the 80s. Not so much now, but they’re okay. But yaks have beards, too. So maybe you should go back to, you know, that’s why they can’t get baptized into more. You put your finger on it there, Alex.

1:36:40 That’s why yaks cannot be baptized. So here’s four pictures. Here’s the selfies, right? So, here he is. He’s like brushing I don’t know the dust off of his I don’t know. He’s dusting you. This is after we got done. And here he is. I mean, look at that face. And I’m talking about his. Wow. And then there’s something about me. I don’t know what it is cuz this is the very next second where he starts breaking that face. See, here’s the before. Here’s the after.

1:37:09 Before. After. So, and then did you already discuss? He’s actually a delightful person. He’s so funny and funny. So, you you would ne I would never have known it. My gosh. And the last one was this one. A is that sweet. I think it’s sweet. I love those. That’s great. Thank you so much. I’m going to take these down off the screen. I don’t think there’s anything else there to do. Oh, yeah. This is me after a hard day shooting.

1:37:44 You know, I got to tell you, I had a blast. I don’t know if it’s something I would want to do every day. There is a lot of sitting around and waiting. And I tried to fill it with bonami and talking to other people and hopefully making them feel comfortable, but every day that would be tough. So there the sun is going down. San Gabriela Mountains are over there to my left, I think, from this shot.

1:38:11 And I’m going back to my um my room at the Comfort Inn in Compton. Just have to Uber back there. You have to pay extra for an Uber to Compton. I found out it was not Compton, but I accidentally not. Was it Colton? Was it? Yes. Colton neighborhood. Was it Colton? Yeah, she almost did me in by getting me a comfort in in Colton. It’s okay. It wasn’t Compton. You did good. Colton is where you went probably.

1:38:43 I just locked myself in the room and barricaded the door after the sun went down. I’ve got two questions. Yes. One, how many how much coverage did they do? So, how many times did you do the scene over and over again? How many takes? Yeah. Five or so? Five or six? Half a dozen. And the camera was always in a different position. Yes, usually it was. But you see, they got this camera and it’s in some of these and it’s just this wide thing and you know the guy can pick it up and he does he picks it up. He can pick up this camera. This is the main camera and it does it digitally obviously, right?

1:39:17 And he can just put it on something like on a tripod or he can put it over here. He can put it on a small thing so it’s short. It could be on the table or it could be standing back there. And you, by which I mean Brent, the director, or anybody who’s back there, can look and they can see exactly what the shot is going to look like when it’s done. It’s got the wide lens for the wide screen. Yeah.

1:39:42 So, there’s there’s really no guesswork as to whether it’s a good take. And the second question is, how are you going to be credited? your real name or is it gonna I said I just said uh I don’t need any credits. Oh, cool. I’m a humble guy, Alex. I don’t need any credit. So, did did you get paid? Um I don’t know that uh they covered my airfare and the the Compton hotel room. Mhm.

1:40:12 But other than that, no, I I don’t I don’t know. And I I don’t expect it. Uh there may be something but it would be I think um according to whatever the non-unionized rates are. Well, did you get a SAG card? No. No. Oh, you’re still not union. Okay. No, I’m not Film Actors Guild. I I show your shoulders there, buddy. You got to show some shoulders to get that paycheck. I I worked for a company that set extras out for movies and stuff and everybody wanted their SAG card.

1:40:49 Yeah. Because once you get your But the trick is once you get your SAG card, you work less. You get paid more, but you work less. And they complain. They go, “I got my SAG part. I’m not getting any work.” I said, “That’s right. That’s what happens because they don’t want to pay the high wages.” No, of course they don’t. having in the first place. I thought film actors guild f ag. Did you just make that up? No. Okay.

1:41:17 But thank you for noticing. Does anybody know where the film actors guild is from? Screen actors guild, not film actors guild. This is a different union. It’s the film actors guild. Matt Damon Durka Durka. Does anybody know? Oh. Uh. Uh. Oh crap. Um, uh, Tim, do you want me to tell you? Yes, please. Team America. Thank you. Yes, I can see it in my head. I’m going that was best favorite movie of the film actors guild in that movie.

1:42:01 How many times, Wendy, have you been forced to watch that movie through and through? He has seen it more than once. I have only agreed to watch it once. Oh man. I didn’t ask you what you thought of the marionette sex scene, but it’s probably that’s part R-rated version, not the X-rated version. By the way, it’s actually worse than it’s actually worse than what you saw, Wendy. I never mentioned that to you. Wow.

1:42:36 Marionet armpits that they get splinters. So, RFM, is it because of your work in this space that uh he um Yeah. discovered you? Yes. Quote quote. Okay. They wanted a familiar face to sort of be an understanding high councilman, someone who wasn’t so robotic or Mormon, someone who was more human. So, that was kind of my role. Cool. All right. It’s either you or Cordellis. I mean, I would have picked you. Not a not even a close. Not a chance, man.

1:43:18 Oh my god. I need more alcohol to even envision that, Alex. And I can’t not. No. The main difference between me and Cardinal that what? I know. I just you mention you mentioned Cardan Ellis and I’m just like I can’t envision that right now. I just can’t. The main difference between me and Cardon Ellis is everything. I can name all three members of the first presidency. Oh yeah. All right. Well, I think we’re about ready to to leave. You know, this has been a lot of fun. And it’s been too long and I don’t like leaving you all hanging for so long. I like seeing your smiling faces.

1:44:04 And you too, Tim. Oh, thank you. I like seeing your cats. I love my cats. I know you do. They know you do. That’s the important Well, see, Beauty spends most of her time on my lap. She’s just always here. Is she your favorite? Um, I You don’t have to answer that. U, they don’t actually understand English. It’s okay. Well, they’re all my favorite. They’re favorite for different reasons. Yeah. Okay.

1:44:41 Okay. Very good. I I’ve had three cats that had kittens in my bed growing up. She’s the last one that she had a kitten in my in my on my bed. So, is that sanitary? What did your bedroom smell like? It was clean. This is another apartment, but Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, growing up, okay, I had one cat. Well, there doesn’t matter, but Well, look at this. I I’m gonna Here’s a Here’s a trivia question for you, Kim, and everybody else.

1:45:15 That’s a Do you recognize those mountains? Do they look familiar to anybody from Utah? San Gabriels. They are. They’re the San Gabriels. You landed at San Bernardino airport, didn’t you? Uh, Ontario. Ontario. Okay. Ontario. Yeah. And that’s where the um the shoot was was at the in San Bernardino at USB San Bernardino. They got a campus. Wow. That’s uh that sounds like um what’s that Stephen Spielberg movie?

1:45:49 that’s coming out this summer is going to be a huge disappointment. Discovery Day. Disclosure. Disclosure day. It sounded like somebody was talking that disclosure day talk. Sarah, I hear it again. Can anybody understand it? No. Because if you can, you’re chosen. Well, all right. All right. Well, everybody, I’m going to leave us now. And everybody, thank you for joining us. We’ll be back on next Friday. This coming Friday.

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