Source: Julia from Analyzing Mormonism Shines! Episode 107 Highlights—Throwback Thursday Channel: MormonNewsRoundup Published: April 30, 2026 | Archived: May 1, 2026

Video: Julia from Analyzing Mormonism Shines! Episode 107 Highlights—Throwback Thursday
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Published: April 30, 2026
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Julia from Analyzing Mormonism is one of my favorite content creators—and for good reason. As a master’s student in history, she brings a level of depth, sourcing, and credibility that’s rare, especially in short-form content. Whether she’s covering current LDS Church news or diving into church history, her work is consistently thoughtful and high quality.

In this Throwback Thursday highlight, we revisit Episode 107, where Julia joins the Mormon News Roundup and delivers sharp insight—including a breakdown of how the LDS Church has used lawsuits, even impacting creators like us.

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Julia was also one of the few people who reached out to me with genuine empathy after I first spoke publicly about being sued by the Church—and that meant a lot then, and still does today.

Behind the scenes, she’s also contributed to Mormon Stories, helping produce short-form content that reaches thousands.

🎬 Watch the FULL Episode 107 here: https://youtu.be/JxKXs6uDGyk

This highlight reel condenses the best moments into about 25 minutes—perfect if you want the key insights without missing the impact.

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0:00 Julia from Analyzing Mormonism was one of my favorite content creators. She’s currently pursuing a master’s degree in history and it really shows in her work and her shorts are really good. Whether it’s covering current church news or diving into church history, they are consistently well sourced, thoughtful, and incredibly high quality. She brings a level of credibility and depth that’s rare, especially in short form content. But she’s just as strong in her long- form content where she’s able to really unpack complex issues. And here’s a quick example of Julia and her analyzing Mormonism channel where she breaks down how the Mormon church has used lawsuits, including against the Mormon News Roundup.

0:35 So, I recently made a video about the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints telling Mormon Stories podcast who changed their logo. Well, yesterday I learned that the church also reached out to my friend Dvay over at Mormon News Roundup, telling him that he needs to get rid of the word Mormon on his channel. And he’s not the only one. The church has also reached out to creators like Radio Free Mormon and Mormon Discussions, saying that actually they own the word Mormon because they own the trademark. Now, I don’t know anything about trademarks, but I learned yesterday that if you own a trademark but don’t use it, it can fall back into the public domain. This is known as trademark abandonment, and it means what it sounds like. If the owner doesn’t use it and has no intention of using it, it once again becomes public. So, what I’m confused about is that the church has deliberately taken steps to abandon the use of the word Mormon. They removed it

1:12 from their building signs. They changed Mormon.org. They changed the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They get rid of the I’m a Mormon ads. They get rid of the Mormon messages. And they no longer use it in their manuals. They have made so many changes to move away from that name. I’m confused on how the church can continue to claim the trademark name when they don’t in fact use it. Additionally, asking Mormon stories to change their logo made sense. The logo did look similar to the church’s own logo. I can see how they could argue about people getting confused. But no one to my knowledge has ever made the mistake of thinking that RadioFree Mormon Mormon stories, Mormon discussions, or the Mormon news roundup for being officially affiliated with the Mormon Church. Also, out of respect, I have been trying to refer to the Mormon Church by their full name, the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. But since I learned that they are pushing back on my friends and colleagues, I

1:52 have been referring to them consistently as the Mormon Church. Thanks for the shout out. Now, Julia was one of the very few people who reached out to me with genuine empathy after I first spoke publicly about being sued by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. And that meant a lot then and it still does today. Behind the scenes, Julia also contributes to the Mormon Stories podcast, helping produce their short form content. So, for today’s throwback Thursday, we’re going back to episode 107 where Julia and America join the program. The full episode is absolutely worth watching, but I’ve edited down to about 25 minutes of the best highlights, and I think you are really going to enjoy it. And remember, remember, no unhollowed hand can stop the Mormon News Rup from progressing.

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3:03 So, I’m Julia. So, I’ve had my TikTok since uh mid 2021. I grew up in the church. I went to got my degree at BYU Idaho. I served my mission in Salt Lake and got married in the temple. have came out as lesbian, got divorced, and now I’m with America. So, okay. So, I was raised in the church. I went to BYU Idaho. Um I was roommates with Julia there. All above board, don’t worry. Um and then I was married in the temple uh for seven years. We never had kids. And I realized that I was more of a feminist than I was a member of the church. And so I uh was in the church physically but not mentally for about four years. And I so I sort of deconstructed while going to church.

3:44 Then Julie and I started talking. We got together and now I’m the power behind the throne. The entire foundation of the church is on Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and um the pioneers. That’s what we’re taught from the time we’re very small is the pioneers. D Joseph Smith, we literally sing songs about him. Um, other churches have accused us of uh I’m saying us, but I mean the LDS church have accused the LDS church of worshiping Joseph Smith.

4:16 And I would say as a person who’s standing outside of it and looking back in, I would say that’s accurate. So if we don’t have a testimony of the history of the church, you don’t have a testimony of the founder of the church and the reason that the church is the way it is. That’s sort of important. And I totally understand why he doesn’t have a testimony of the history of the church because it’s garbage and it’s scary and it’s full of really terrible people doing really terrible things. If we’re going to spend the rest of our lives giving all of our time and energy to a church, maybe it should be based in fact. Um maybe it should be based in, I don’t know, God, like a God that spoke to a real prophet if he’s not a real prophet because he’s proven himself not to be by being a terrible person. like he’s just a terrible person. Like how many people did he coerced to be his wives for no clear reason. It needs to be based in fact.

5:09 They said that there was nine other lawsuits against Tim Ballard and O and I think hers is the only one that’s not a sexual allegation against him. It’s the she’s saying, you know, these stories are fake. These stories are made up and she knows she knew one of the the girls personally on that are that were presented on the website and she was like, no, this is not true. So she called and then pushed record on her phone and that’s where she got these recordings. And so yeah, I’m really really interested to see. I think it was a full hour if not more. And that’ll be really really interesting to see. So I am uh disappointed just like everybody who believes in the Sound of Freedom movie. I was sold. I I didn’t know Tim Ballard specifically, but I was I followed them on Facebook and I still was following them. When Julia told me that this was happening, I was like, “No, no. I I know them and they’re they’re good and they rescue people and like they tell this they share their

5:59 stories and like they they rescue people and this is important work that they’re doing. And she’s like it’s not what you think it is. And learning all of this has been really disheartening because they were one of those stories like that makes you feel good about the world. like there are people out there rescuing children and they’re important and I can like support them in some sort of way and and it’s just a way of of making you feel better about the world even as you feel terrible about it because the stories are awful. But now it’s just like well crap just the world world has gone to pot and the saviors went with it. One thing that really struck me is I think she said that they they say that their rescue missions cost $50,000 for each rescue mission. And she said that’s not true. She said we could we could run on a budget of 3,000 a month. And so like because you know him getting a hold of these millionaires or these high donors like wealthy members of the church, Tim does not need that money.

6:56 Our does not need that money. And just hearing that from her was just like where’s the rest of the money going? um on the record from latter gay latter gay stories they have this document of all the troublesome things that the prophets have said in the past and the teachings that they’ve had. So like these were just two examples that I pulled. It goes on and on and on. Well, you know, this is a topic that’s close to me because I’m I’m I came out as lesbian and my family has been very distant from me.

7:19 They’ve pretty much shunned me or shut me out. And I I really don’t like when when people put words into Jesus’s mouth. And that’s what temper is doing. He’s saying Jesus taught these things. But when you look at the text, when you look at even in the worst translation of the Bible, which is I think the King James version, Jesus is silent on the matter of homosexuality, the Book of Mormon is silent. The Doctrine of Covenants is silent. It just really, really bothers me. So, I just wanted to respond to that specifically. I just feel really bad for him. I feel really, really bad for his wife. I actually my previous marriage was very similar to to that situation. Yes. being in a mixedorientation marriage and trying to make it work because of the the gospel.

7:58 I find in my experience that the most homophobic people are the people who are trying to restrain their own selves and their own identity for the reasons that they think that they need to. Timber is we already know that he’s gay so he’s not hiding anything. So we can say this um he’s being homophobic. He is saying you don’t you cannot go to heaven if you’re gay if you if you are living the way that that Jillian is um or we are.

8:26 Um he would say to you probably you will not be going to heaven and that and according to the church that that’s exactly right. I don’t know. I I just feel bad for him then the way that he has to jump through hoops to say to himself you’re a bad person if you’re gay. And that was my my least favorite part of Carden’s speech. And my most favorite part of Jillian’s speech is when she said, um, I mean, stop you right there. Comparing being gay to having cancer is incredibly wrong. Yes. I love David Archeletta.

8:59 Yeah. He’s so sweet. He’s so pure. I do think to some degree, like even as a straight, white, whoever, like you are still having to turn off lots of many parts of yourself to stay in the church. Like so many things. And like um you’d mentioned about him maybe being critical of the church. And I think one of the things that David has done is that he has asked he’s just asked good questions where he’s like what about adoption?

9:20 What about monogamy within a samesex marriage? And he’s just asking questions that I don’t think the leaders of the church have actually processed maybe because they’re is it non-aggenarians? Like I don’t know. Like he he’s just asking really good questions. So well I’m happy for him. Obviously, I didn’t go through the the same thing that he’s going through with the public eye, but um I did go through what he’s going through with shifting from this uh perfect person into um kind of accepting yourself and experiencing yourself, your your own mind even. Um as I allowed myself to find out who I was and what I really believed about the world, I had to eventually talk to my family about what I was going through.

10:01 And I have always been the the good daughter. We were both the the this the Nephi of the family. We were the Nephi of the family. We were the straight A students. We were the good kid. And to suddenly be we’re actually both the black sheep now because of uh choosing to be in a lesbian relationship. So um it is hard mostly to make the decision. Making the decision to um do that is extremely hard and terrifying and I cried a lot. On the other side, it’s um like there’s almost like a high to feeling loved and accepted for who you actually are. Not only you, but like those of my family members who did say, “Hey, that’s totally fine and we love you and and keep coming to Thanksgiving.”

10:47 I felt so much love for for them and the love that they had for me and my relationship with them bloomed like I like I had never ever had in my entire life. So, I’m excited for him and the journey that he’s going through. He probably is already in that spot and feeling that love and acceptance from those who stuck around. And uh I wasn’t like a super Dave David Archeletta fan previously, but I am now.

11:14 I don’t have a face made for a video and I don’t have a voice made for podcasting. That makes it difficult. I guess that’s why I have so few subscribers. Now, a couple last articles. Our our last basically last article here is the church has released its holdings for Enzyme Peak. Every quarter the church releases how much money is in its investment fund. And we now have um from Matthew Fox in uh businessinssider.com. You know the Enzyme Peak stock portfolio is covered not just within you Utah and in the inner mountain west but since the church owns so much stocks. It’s covered in Bloomberg, the Wall Street Journal. It’s covered all over the place. And now we know what the church’s top 10 holdings of the church’s $51 billion stock portfolio is. Now the $51 billion, that’s a significant caveat because that’s only the US portion of Enzyme Peak Advisors. The church owns a significant amount in non US stocks in

12:04 in private equities in in foreign investments in in real estate in you know stocks and in bonds and things that are not necessarily reported to the government. So that’s just that’s just a a caveat there. But, you know, the church revealed in its 13F filings, which was released just this last Wednesday, how much the church has. And these are the top 10 stock portfolios. And it’s pretty incredible what the church owns here. And uh let’s uh can I get you to read what number 10 is. Yeah, it’s Tesla.

12:32 Tesla, right? Elon Musk. The Mormon Church and Elon Musk, you know, bosom friends. They both own hundreds of billions of dollars. So, yeah, I do own a Tesla. I’m a big Tesla fan. So, yeah, Tesla. And how about number nine? Yeah. JP Morgan. Yes, they own $700 million of JP Morgan. That’s that’s an incredible amount of stocks. How about number eight, America? Mastercard. That makes me question some things. Do we need to change our cards?

13:00 I don’t own a Mastercard. I don’t. Do you guys own Mastercard or? I have. Yes. Oh, okay. All right. Well, Mastercard is doing very, very well. Uh, you know, the church owns $800 million worth of stock in it. Or how about number seven, Julia? Yeah, United Health. United Health Group. Yeah, that’s um I believe that’s a big HMO there that has a huge number of patients and things that’s in multiple uh states in the United States. We also have number six, Meta Platforms, right? The parent company for Facebook. The church owns $1 billion in Facebook.

13:33 Mark Zuckerberg, one of the richest men on earth. I I think he’s in the top five or maybe even the top 10 at least. And the church owns a huge amount of stocks. And that are uh number five. Now, they do cell phones mostly in developing countries. They’re kind of like cheap cell phones in developing countries. So, that’s what you get from them. And you also have number four, which is Amazon. The church owns 1.4 billion in Amazon. That’s just a huge amount of money. Um, even though Amazon has gone down just a little bit. And number three, who do we have? Alphabet, right? The parent company for Google. Church owns almost $2 billion in that.

14:07 And number two, Apple. Yes. almost $3 billion in Apple. Just incredible how much the church has in that even though Apple’s stock has gone down 5% uh recently. And finally, the number one stock that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints owns is Microsoft. Microsoft $3 billion in Microsoft. It’s just incredible how much the church owns. Is it a surprise to you at all to see what kind of companies that the church is investing in? Kind of. I was kind of surprised. I was like, “Oh, okay. Where is the moral value in owning stock and Google and Meta and Apple? Like I understand they like they own a lot of property in the United States and I I had understood it had something to do with like gathering Zion and that kind of thing, but I have no idea how they can write this off as as a prophecy. Dang. Oh, they’re so rich. Yeah. And then and then the land.

15:00 They’re selling land in Missouri and they’re buying up land in Florida and Nevada. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hawaii. Yeah. It’s crazy. all over the place. How much are they donating to people in need? How much are they donating to charity at all? Probably not very much. Like compared to what they have and what they could be giving, they’re not giving. I don’t I don’t even know if it’s percent. No, probably not. Yeah, it’s a very very small percent of its total wealth. You know, the church’s valuation is somewhere in the neighborhood of $265 billion. And this last year, the church uh according to its own internal report gave away about a billion dollars. And if you strip out the fast offering of that, which is basically a pass through because all of the fast offering is just kept at the local level. One member gives to the church who gives immediately to another member. If you strip out the fast offering, the church in the last year

15:43 gave around $200 million. So you have a valuation of 265, you gave away 200 billion. That’s only a ratio of what is that? That’s very small. Is that one out of a hundred or Yeah, it’s it’s a very small ratio. Less than one cent. It’s extremely small. In like five or seven years, there’ll be a trillion dollar church. Something like that. Yeah. And also like they pointed out or you pointed out in that video that they don’t need tithing. They can just work off of what they have with the what what they’ve already got or with their investments. They don’t need tithing. The church does not need tithing. And it reminds me of past prophets Joseph Fielding or Joseph F.

16:16 One of them said that we will see the day when we won’t we will no longer have to ask a single dollar from the our members because we’ll have enough tithing. So we see that day but yet they are still asking. Yeah. That day has come and gone and and yet they’re still asking. Yeah. Yes indeed. That was 1907. We expect to see the day where we will not need to ask for one additional scent from the members. And we definitely have reached that day. If you look back at David Bedar in the 2022 May National Press Club briefing, he was asked about Enzyme Peak and about tithing in particular.

16:46 And he said, and this is almost a direct quote, quote, “The church doesn’t need the members tithing end quote anymore.” And that is for sure because the church grew in valuation in this last year $30 billion. But the church’s overall operating budget is only around $7 billion. So you don’t need tithing in any way, shape, or form. So this is just incredible to see the church continuing to grow Enzyme Peak. And this is one of the most fascinating issues for me personally. This is something I really um I’m kind of geeked out about and I really like to follow it a lot. So if you’re into that, you will enjoy sub liking and subscribing to the Mormon news roundup. And don’t forget analyzing Mormonism as If you could leave us a fivestar review, we’d be very grateful for that. Now, our final article of the week here is the Super Bowl. Guys, did you watch the Super Bowl here this last week? We do not follow sports at all.

17:33 We follow Taylor Swift. Yeah. Okay. Fair. And that was what’s amazing is in the Super Bowl, not everybody follows it, but if you combine the Super Bowl with Taylor Swift, I guess this was the most watched uh was the most watched event in human history. I think it was somewhere over a 100red million people watched this which was more than the moon landing. This was the most single most watched event in human history. Now I don’t watch a lot of sports either guys. Um but there’s something about having a Y chromosome around the time of the Super Bowl that some kind of a genetic urge just gets into me. I don’t watch a lot of NFL. I don’t watch a lot of college football. But I got to turn it on. I don’t there’s something genetic. I don’t know what it is about it. But the most incredible thing is in this Super Bowl, there’s an incredible Mormon connection in the Super Bowl that I wanted to highlight and get you guys’s opinion on because Andy Reid, first of all, the coach of the the Kansas City Chiefs who won the Super Bowl, he’s a

18:24 big-time Mormon. He’s an active Latter-day Saint who talks a lot about his faith. And the most amazing thing here is this is what Hank Smith uh tweeted out here with regards to the Super Bowl here. I just want to get your tongue-in-cheek reaction to this. And this is he said, “Wait, I thought the church sold a bunch of land in Missouri. Does Hank really think winning the Super Bowl is a fulfillment of LDS prophecy?

18:44 Let’s check it out. Hank Smith, he’s kind of a Latter Day Saint troll. It’s hard to know if he’s actually being serious on this, but he says, “According to Doctrine of Covenant section 84, the New Jerusalem will be in Jackson County, Missouri.” Right? And Arrowhead Stadium, guys, guess what? That’s in Jackson County, Missouri. The Super Bowl was held in Jackson County. And according to Revelations 21 verse1 15 and he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city. Andy Reed the the coach there he seen this is Mormon prophecy fulfilled here. What do you think?

19:17 I hope he’s joking but that’s clever. I think he’s definitely joking. Now Andy Reid is a big time Mormon and you know the quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. He’s also got a Mormon connection which a lot of people don’t know about. You know he was put out there. He was trotted out by the church for the giving machines to plug back in last December. He’s basically brought on as a spokesperson to encourage people to make donations to the church. So, not only does the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, is he a big-time Mormon, but Travis Kelce, the winning quarterback, he also had a Mormon connection. It’s incredible how much Mormon stuff is surrounding the Super Bowl.

19:51 Apparently, they know where to invest their time and money. So, yes, they definitely do. And that really got me thinking this week. And this is takes us to our final segment here, which is the Mormon news roundup poll of the week. And we release all of our episodes live every Sunday night at 9:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. If you come on over to our live chat, you can interact with your humble hosts at that time. And I put together a Mormon news round, a poll of the week, which talks about the Super Bowl here, guys. I want you to be the first persons to take our poll. And it’s the Super Bowl edition 2024. And what is the subject of the poll this week? What is the question that the poll is asking us? What did Travis Kelce tell Andy Reid on the sidelines in the Super Bowl?

20:30 Notice that this went viral because uh Travis Kelce bumped into the coach in kind of a heated exchange in the middle of the Super Bowl and that really went viral. And since guys, they both have an LDS connection. I’m figuring that they probably were talking about something that was church related. That’s just my estimation. I put together a couple of memes and I’d like you to read them. You know, rate my memes on a 1 to 10. You know, I can take the criticism. If it’s not a good meme, you can let me know.

20:55 We’re going to go through the top 10 things that I think that they were talking about. I could be right, I could be wrong, but let’s run through these memes and you can tell me if you think that this is what they were talking about. Let’s start with number one. Jesus wants me for a sunbeam. What do you think, Julia? Uh, sure. Uh, one to 10. What do you think on that meme? I don’t know. I mean, it’s good because that is how sunbeams say that. Oh, yeah.

21:22 That Yeah, if you listen to the primary programs, they sometimes get there’s always one that gets a little too excited in the primary programs. Okay, that was a miss. That’s okay. I got 10. We’ll find one for you. Or how about number two, Julia? Will we read that one? Oh, yeah. Think Celestial. Very inspiring. Uhhuh. What do you think about that one, America? I hate that thing. Okay. Good. Good. Mean.

21:48 Okay. I’m 0 for two, but that’s okay. I’ve got eight more for you. That that may be a miss. That’s President Nelson’s inspired council from the last gentleman conference where he encouraged everyone to think celestial which is kind of similar to keep sweet pray and obey but we won’t get into that for this podcast. Or how about number three? It’s none of your freaking business how I found out if you stay the sacraments.

22:08 Oh. Oh, that’s that’s that’s controversial. That’s hitting too close to home. Oh my goodness. Okay, that that’s also a that’s also a miss. I personally like this one, but I can I can tell my audience maybe that’s not the right audience for this one. That’s okay. That’s all right. Uh, how about number four? Uh, Julia can read this one. It’s better that one man should perish than an entire nation dwindle in unbelief. Yeah, sure.

22:30 Uh, could like he’s very upset. He’s And that’s maybe that’s what Nephi told Laban right before he took action. I’m not sure about that. That’s how the angel responded to Nephi. Like definitely could be. Or uh how about number five, America? Can you read that one? What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery and having seven wives when I can only find one. Yeah. Yep. Nope. That’s a good quote. Yeah.

22:56 Okay. Good one. That’s the best I’ve got so far. So far, I’ve got the number five is good. That’s I’m going to take any win that I can in this situation. All right. How about number six, Julia? The only men who become gods, even as sons of gods, are those who enter into polygamy. Oh, that’s a problematic. Okay, that one’s a miss, too. That’s the famous Brigham Young saying, “Okay, that one’s a miss. That’s no problem. I got a couple more. America, it’s wrong to criticize leaders of the church, even if the criticism is true. That’s a good one. Like that one. Okay, I got a two thumbs up on that one.

23:27 That one is good. Okay, I got at least one in here. That’s good. That’s pretty good. That’s not bad for me. Or how about uh number eight. I’m telling you, both the plane plane engines exploded. We went into a death spiral. I almost died, but I really like that one. Okay, I got a really good one. That’s good. Excellent. Okay, not bad. You have to know your inside Mormon jokes to get some of these, right?

23:50 Yeah. Okay, good job. All right, how about number nine, America? How many times do I have to tell you the City Creek Mall was paid for with invested reserves? Not tithing. How many times do I have to tell you that you know that mall the roof opens? Like, who needs a mall with a with an opening roof? Jesus needs a mall with an opening roof, right? Okay, that’s one of my favorites.

24:12 for finally number 10. Julia a and Ly Mormon is the best is the best LDS related content on the web. Maybe that’s what they were talking about. Like I said, these two are have a big time Mormon connection. I’m pretty sure they were talking about something LDS related. I could be wrong about that, but if you come on over to our live chat, you can cast your votes at this time. And uh America, could you be the first person to take our poll? What did Travis Kelce tell Andy Reid on the sidelines of the Super Bowl last Sunday? I think I’m voting number seven.

24:43 Number seven. It’s wrong to criticize leaders of the church even if the criticism is true. Okay. Gotcha. And Julia, could you be this second person to take our poll? Yep. I’m gonna vote for seven, too. I think I think it matches the anger on his face. Yeah. Ah, this one. Number seven. It’s wrong to criticize leaders of the church even if their criticism is true. Voice. Yeah. Very nice. I am personally going with number three, which is it’s none of your freaking business how I found out if he’s taking the sacrament. I’m sure that’s going to earn me a few enemies, but this is obviously a tongue and cheek poll. Uh, now that reminds me guys, thanks so much for coming on the Mormon news roundup. Now, what do you have planned for analyzing Mormonism? How can people get in touch with you? What kind of projects are you guys working on?

25:28 U, we have podcasts coming up. We’re we’ve got our own um publishing company. It’s Adena Publishers. And so we’ve got some books coming up and we’ve got we’re working on John C. Bennett’s uh history of the saints or something like that. Um so yeah, we’ve got those. We just released our first uh LGBTQ book with with our publishing company. It’s called Outsider by Jupiter. It’s beautiful. It’s available on um Amazon and Bookshop bookshop.

25:55 Yeah, the author’s from Australia and they’re really cool. No one hollowed hand can stop this podcast from progressing. When it comes to nicknames of the church, such as LDS church, the Mormon church, to remove the Lord’s name from the Lord’s church is a major victory for Satan. Satan. Satan.