<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">"The identity should be outside of the computer."</span></p> <p><a href="https://njump.me/@hzrd149"><span style="font-weight: 400;">hzrd149</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> & </span><a href="https://njump.me/@Gigi"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gigi</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> contemplate local relays.</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Libraries & apps mentioned:</span></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://github.com/hzrd149/applesauce"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Applesauce</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://www.readwithboris.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Boris</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/greenart7c3/Citrine"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Citrine</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/CodyTseng/nostr-relay-tray"><span style="font-weight: 400;">nostr-relay-tray</span></a></li> </ul> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">In this dialogue:</span></p> <ul> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Automation & robot armies</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">If this than that (</span><a href="https://ifttt.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">IFTTT</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">)</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Permissioned vs permissionless automation</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Self-hosting and the </span><a href="https://www.localfirstconf.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">local-first</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> people</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"The identity should be outside of the computer"</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Private vs public, local vs remote</span></li> <li><a href="https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/opposing-drm.html"><span style="font-weight: 400;">DRM</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> and other nonsense</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Private means encrypted with my key</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr apps should be local-first, thanks to local relays</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">All nostr apps should work in flight mode, somewhat</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Outbox model, writing, and reading\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Search & </span><a href="https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/50.md"><span style="font-weight: 400;">NIP-50</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Ants & </span><a href="http://thisishowyougetants.com"><span style="font-weight: 400;">thisishowyougetants.com\ </span></a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation"><span style="font-weight: 400;">6 degrees</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> of separation & </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_a_friend"><span style="font-weight: 400;">FoaF</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=by%3Adergigi+WoT"><span style="font-weight: 400;">WoT</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Friend list curation & "</span><a href="https://google.fandom.com/wiki/Google%2B_Circles"><span style="font-weight: 400;">circles</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Don't touch my follow list"</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Bootstrapping a network by </span><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=by%3Adergigi+GM"><span style="font-weight: 400;">saying GM</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> a lot</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Recommendations usually suck</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr can shine</span></li> <li><a href="https://vertexlab.io/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Vertex</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> & figuring out who </span><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=p%3Ajohn"><span style="font-weight: 400;">John</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> is</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">NIP-05 & realness</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Root-level domains & realness (e.g. </span><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=%40dergigi.com"><span style="font-weight: 400;">@dergigi.com</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">)</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Zaps & realness</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nutzaps & realness\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local-first & local algorithms\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/damus-io/nostrdb"><span style="font-weight: 400;">nostrdb</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> VS local relays\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local data & relevancy\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=noDNS+by%3Aarjen"><span style="font-weight: 400;">noDNS</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, locality, local preference, and "good enough"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mostly online vs mostly offline\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Servers aren't bad. Getting rugpulled is bad."</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Information is easy to spread but hard to stifle"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local hubs, community hubs, global hubs</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"nostr was built for broadcasting"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Building stuff badly & nerd-sniping people</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gigi's </span><a href="https://ants.sh/e/nevent1qqstgekdlmaeu3n6gf3ss7nnlq4f0hfx3nm3nmy0pf84xs7e98wyt2ssw5p34"><span style="font-weight: 400;">ants video</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Walking in circles\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">DM metadata leakage\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://read.withboris.com/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqqxnzd3cxqmrzv3exgmr2wfesgsmew"><span style="font-weight: 400;">"It shouldn't matter where the data comes from"</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Deleting data is a lie"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The impossibility of proving deletion\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Bitrot & data loss</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Fighting bitrot with duplication & rebroadcasting\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://bouquet.slidestr.net/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Bouquet</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://github.com/hzrd149/blossom"><span style="font-weight: 400;">blossom</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, and self-healing links</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local-first vs local-also\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Left-side of the bellcurve CDN\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The one </span><a href="https://topic.relays.land/whales"><span style="font-weight: 400;">whale relay</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Topic-based relays\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://pyramid.fiatjaf.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">fiatjaf's pyramid relay</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Torrents, early video content, game installers\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://fiatjaf.com/d5031e5b.html"><span style="font-weight: 400;">fiatjaf\’s take on IPFS</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why not rebuild Cloudflare?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Censorship-resistance = 100% uptime = no rugpulls\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Getting offered weed on the streets\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Every app works in flight mode</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">No developer needs an API key\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"The data accumulates where it needs to accumulate"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Browser history as an example of local data & user interests\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">WoT is kinda local\ </span></li> <li><a href="http://wot.dergigi.com"><span style="font-weight: 400;">wot.dergigi.com</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Blossom is different; blobs are heavy\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">American HODL's vlogs\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Step 1 is to build a shitty version"\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/bitvora/haven"><span style="font-weight: 400;">HAVEN</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr Repair Kit (Nostr pacemaker)\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shout-out to Pablo's highlighter (fucking hell)\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Open-source & scratching your own itch\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://read.withboris.com/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzqfngzhsvjggdlgeycm96x4emzjlwf8dyyzdfg4hefp89zpkdgz99qqxkzursd3jhxct4vdjj6a35zywsv8"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Applesauce v4</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"It's almost done" - famous last words!\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Outbox in applesauce, and how it makes everything more difficult\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Waves, </span><a href="https://routstr.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">routstr</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=44231922884"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Pete</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=35419852277"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Justin</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=35009806060"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Paul</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=36418346296"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gzuuus</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Hzrd's </span><a href="https://primal.net/soveng/sec-05-yolo-mode-report"><span style="font-weight: 400;">SEC-05 highlights</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=noDNS+by%3Aarjen"><span style="font-weight: 400;">noDNS</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/Origami74/wally"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Wally</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> & Cashu Wallet Connect\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Crazy idea => Consensus => Implementation\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Difference between idea & implementation</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Domains are shitcoins"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">We've been living in a post-domain world for a while\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Independent browsers & project </span><a href="https://ladybird.org/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Ladybird</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr-native browser - who will build it?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"A different way of doing internet infrastructure"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Is a world without APIs possible?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mainframe => Personal Computer => Smartphones\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Online sometimes => Offline sometimes\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local LLMs</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr allows you to build less</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Thin layers & special-purpose apps\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/60.md"><span style="font-weight: 400;">NIP-60</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> and finding spare change under the couch\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Does </span><a href="https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/77.md"><span style="font-weight: 400;">negentropy</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> fix NIP-60 synchronization?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr is synergistic\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The beauty of </span><a href="https://github.com/CodyTseng/nostr-relay-tray"><span style="font-weight: 400;">nostr-relay-tray</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr works. We've come far!</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">It's all coming together</span></li> <li><a href="https://www.readwithboris.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Boris</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"You can always go back and build it right"</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Just begin again.</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Just begin again.</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Just begin again.</span></li> </ul> <p>Recorded at <a href="https://mempool.space/block/917886">917,886</a>.</p> <itunes:subtitle>#13: The Linux of Social Media w/ hzrd149</itunes:subtitle> <itunes:duration>5150</itunes:duration> <link>https://njump.me/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpx77gg2frul26xkzr0gaq9n842u50axpcjhdsa3yeu388vrv5pftqqsqavtcdas03svjy60tfwquanz8xd6lh7p0257y46tdrcjcunndr2qgunjfe</link> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:14:39 +0000</pubDate> <author>Gigi</author> <itunes:author>Gigi</itunes:author> <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit> <itunes:keywords>nostr, development, sovereign engineering, shipping, relays, web, internet, conversation, dialog</itunes:keywords> <itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">"The identity should be outside of the computer."</span></p> <p><a href="https://njump.me/@hzrd149"><span style="font-weight: 400;">hzrd149</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> & </span><a href="https://njump.me/@Gigi"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gigi</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> contemplate local relays.</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Libraries & apps mentioned:</span></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://github.com/hzrd149/applesauce"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Applesauce</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://www.readwithboris.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Boris</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/greenart7c3/Citrine"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Citrine</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/CodyTseng/nostr-relay-tray"><span style="font-weight: 400;">nostr-relay-tray</span></a></li> </ul> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">In this dialogue:</span></p> <ul> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Automation & robot armies</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">If this than that (</span><a href="https://ifttt.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">IFTTT</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">)</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Permissioned vs permissionless automation</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Self-hosting and the </span><a href="https://www.localfirstconf.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">local-first</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> people</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"The identity should be outside of the computer"</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Private vs public, local vs remote</span></li> <li><a href="https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/opposing-drm.html"><span style="font-weight: 400;">DRM</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> and other nonsense</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Private means encrypted with my key</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr apps should be local-first, thanks to local relays</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">All nostr apps should work in flight mode, somewhat</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Outbox model, writing, and reading\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Search & </span><a href="https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/50.md"><span style="font-weight: 400;">NIP-50</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Ants & </span><a href="http://thisishowyougetants.com"><span style="font-weight: 400;">thisishowyougetants.com\ </span></a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation"><span style="font-weight: 400;">6 degrees</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> of separation & </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_a_friend"><span style="font-weight: 400;">FoaF</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=by%3Adergigi+WoT"><span style="font-weight: 400;">WoT</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Friend list curation & "</span><a href="https://google.fandom.com/wiki/Google%2B_Circles"><span style="font-weight: 400;">circles</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Don't touch my follow list"</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Bootstrapping a network by </span><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=by%3Adergigi+GM"><span style="font-weight: 400;">saying GM</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> a lot</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Recommendations usually suck</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr can shine</span></li> <li><a href="https://vertexlab.io/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Vertex</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> & figuring out who </span><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=p%3Ajohn"><span style="font-weight: 400;">John</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> is</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">NIP-05 & realness</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Root-level domains & realness (e.g. </span><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=%40dergigi.com"><span style="font-weight: 400;">@dergigi.com</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">)</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Zaps & realness</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nutzaps & realness\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local-first & local algorithms\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/damus-io/nostrdb"><span style="font-weight: 400;">nostrdb</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> VS local relays\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local data & relevancy\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=noDNS+by%3Aarjen"><span style="font-weight: 400;">noDNS</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, locality, local preference, and "good enough"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mostly online vs mostly offline\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Servers aren't bad. Getting rugpulled is bad."</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Information is easy to spread but hard to stifle"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local hubs, community hubs, global hubs</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"nostr was built for broadcasting"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Building stuff badly & nerd-sniping people</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gigi's </span><a href="https://ants.sh/e/nevent1qqstgekdlmaeu3n6gf3ss7nnlq4f0hfx3nm3nmy0pf84xs7e98wyt2ssw5p34"><span style="font-weight: 400;">ants video</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Walking in circles\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">DM metadata leakage\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://read.withboris.com/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqqxnzd3cxqmrzv3exgmr2wfesgsmew"><span style="font-weight: 400;">"It shouldn't matter where the data comes from"</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Deleting data is a lie"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The impossibility of proving deletion\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Bitrot & data loss</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Fighting bitrot with duplication & rebroadcasting\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://bouquet.slidestr.net/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Bouquet</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://github.com/hzrd149/blossom"><span style="font-weight: 400;">blossom</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, and self-healing links</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local-first vs local-also\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Left-side of the bellcurve CDN\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The one </span><a href="https://topic.relays.land/whales"><span style="font-weight: 400;">whale relay</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Topic-based relays\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://pyramid.fiatjaf.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">fiatjaf's pyramid relay</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Torrents, early video content, game installers\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://fiatjaf.com/d5031e5b.html"><span style="font-weight: 400;">fiatjaf\’s take on IPFS</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why not rebuild Cloudflare?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Censorship-resistance = 100% uptime = no rugpulls\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Getting offered weed on the streets\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Every app works in flight mode</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">No developer needs an API key\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"The data accumulates where it needs to accumulate"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Browser history as an example of local data & user interests\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">WoT is kinda local\ </span></li> <li><a href="http://wot.dergigi.com"><span style="font-weight: 400;">wot.dergigi.com</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Blossom is different; blobs are heavy\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">American HODL's vlogs\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Step 1 is to build a shitty version"\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/bitvora/haven"><span style="font-weight: 400;">HAVEN</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr Repair Kit (Nostr pacemaker)\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Shout-out to Pablo's highlighter (fucking hell)\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Open-source & scratching your own itch\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://read.withboris.com/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzqfngzhsvjggdlgeycm96x4emzjlwf8dyyzdfg4hefp89zpkdgz99qqxkzursd3jhxct4vdjj6a35zywsv8"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Applesauce v4</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"It's almost done" - famous last words!\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Outbox in applesauce, and how it makes everything more difficult\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Waves, </span><a href="https://routstr.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">routstr</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=44231922884"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Pete</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=35419852277"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Justin</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=35009806060"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Paul</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, </span><a href="https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7206062?episode=36418346296"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gzuuus</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Hzrd's </span><a href="https://primal.net/soveng/sec-05-yolo-mode-report"><span style="font-weight: 400;">SEC-05 highlights</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://ants.sh/?q=noDNS+by%3Aarjen"><span style="font-weight: 400;">noDNS</span></a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/Origami74/wally"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Wally</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> & Cashu Wallet Connect\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Crazy idea => Consensus => Implementation\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Difference between idea & implementation</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Domains are shitcoins"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">We've been living in a post-domain world for a while\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Independent browsers & project </span><a href="https://ladybird.org/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Ladybird</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr-native browser - who will build it?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"A different way of doing internet infrastructure"\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Is a world without APIs possible?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mainframe => Personal Computer => Smartphones\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Online sometimes => Offline sometimes\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Local LLMs</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr allows you to build less</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Thin layers & special-purpose apps\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/60.md"><span style="font-weight: 400;">NIP-60</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> and finding spare change under the couch\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Does </span><a href="https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/77.md"><span style="font-weight: 400;">negentropy</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> fix NIP-60 synchronization?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr is synergistic\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The beauty of </span><a href="https://github.com/CodyTseng/nostr-relay-tray"><span style="font-weight: 400;">nostr-relay-tray</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nostr works. We've come far!</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">It's all coming together</span></li> <li><a href="https://www.readwithboris.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Boris</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"You can always go back and build it right"</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Just begin again.</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Just begin again.</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Just begin again.</span></li> </ul> <p>\ </p>

#12: The Windy Lawnmower Stuff w/ Pete

<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"?</span></p> <p><a href="https://njump.me/@PABLOF7z"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Pablo</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> and </span><a href="https://njump.me/@Gigi"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gigi</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> want to encourage you to </span><a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">apply for SEC-05</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">.</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Books & websites mentioned:</span></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/stack-overflow-is-almost-dead/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Stackoverflow is dead</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> by Gergely Orosz</span></li> <li><a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Sovereign Engineering</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> by Gigi and Pablo</span></li> </ul> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">In this dialogue:</span></p> <ul> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gigi's </span><a href="https://github.com/dergigi/vibeline"><span style="font-weight: 400;">vibeline</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> & </span><a href="https://github.com/dergigi/vibeline-ui"><span style="font-weight: 400;">vibeline-ui</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Pubcastr aka </span><a href="http://castr.me"><span style="font-weight: 400;">castr.me</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Pablo's </span><a href="https://coracle.social/notes/nevent1qqstycwc8qu8telckv9mw4fs7wc6d54v9gnpnqrx9hpllqz994mnz4ckzvrxq"><span style="font-weight: 400;">thread about TENEX</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Alex Gleason's </span><a href="https://soapbox.pub/tools/mkstack"><span style="font-weight: 400;">MKStack</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What is the essence of nostr?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What are nostr's values, and can LLMs extract them?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Agents and workflows living on nostr\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Agent specialization and Roo code\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">\“What would Jesus do?\”</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Hierarchy of agents\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Generalists vs specialists\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Top-down constraints and bottom-up emergence\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Wise architects VS efficient diff-merging LLMs\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Where does the human fit in?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Distributed cognition: agents and humans</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Hiring agents via nostr\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"If the human has to intervene, something is catastrophically wrong."</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Confidence levels of an agent's action\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Giving agents money using </span><a href="https://njump.me/nevent1qqst6luj67g3exyd05zwevmpkynnws9v54vcsze5h3fm2d9yd6whmmqpz3mhxw309ucnydewxqhrqt338g6rsd3e9upzp75cf0tahv5z7plpdeaws7ex52nmnwgtwfr2g3m37r844evqrr6jqvzqqqqqqyyya64s"><span style="font-weight: 400;">mcp-money</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Offering bounties to solve problems\ </span></li> <li><a href="https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/stack-overflow-is-almost-dead/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Stackoverflow is dead</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Stock photography is dead\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Real vs fake photography test</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Vibe-coding vs regular coding, and how it relates to the switch from analog to digital photography\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What is economical, and what isn't?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Dialogue and Dia-Logos with LLMs\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Specialization in a multi-agent world\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Adding a small vibe-coding widget to every app (allowing users to customize stuff)\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Multiplicity VS canonical design\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Money is singular, language is not\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Jack's original sin: the twitter Bootstrap theme</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The "</span><a href="https://andotherstuff.org/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">other stuff</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">" initiative</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What's missing from </span><a href="https://github.com/pablof7z/tenex"><span style="font-weight: 400;">TENEX</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">? Why isn't it fully working just yet?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rebuilding everything every 3 weeks</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Voice vs text, sentiment analysis vs tone</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">The power and informational density of silence</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">In-person vs online communication</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Letting agents learn lessons</span></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_g81a7a-E"><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Where do you get your ideas from?"</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Anonymity vs pseudonyms vs government ID</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Agents need identity, money, and reputation</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"I own this dude." \—Pablo</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Owning agents</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Vibe-coding lessons: don't look at the code, and in the best case don't even look at the IDE</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Human-agent communication: typing vs speaking</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why some meetings couldn't have been an email</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Clearly defined problems vs undefined problem spaces</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why TENEX will be in perpetual alpha</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What is </span><a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Sovereign Engineering</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">?</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why should you sign up for it?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">How come so many awesome things came out of it? Blossom, nsite, Zapstore, etc.</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Who should come, and who shouldn't?</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">How did it start?</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What's the idea?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Fix the money, fix the internet."</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">"Ship stuff that lasts."</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Keep it pure. No monetization.\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Focus on exploration and ideation\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">What's the structure?\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">6 weeks, 21 participants</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Same structure every week</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Monday Mornings: Orientation</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Tuesday Talks</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Wednesday Workshops</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Thursday: No Agenda</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Friday: Demo Day</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Weekend: Hikes</span></li> <li><a href="https://sovereignengineering.typeform.com/SEC-05"><span style="font-weight: 400;">SEC-05: YOLO Mode</span></a></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Empower users</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Optimize for self-sovereignty</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Bitcoin works</span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Lightning works (Gigi's post)\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Build the future you want to see\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">Madeira: you can pay in bitcoin almost everywhere\ </span></li> <li><span style="font-weight: 400;">tl;dr: Listen to every single </span><a href="https://castr.me/@NoSolutions"><span style="font-weight: 400;">No Solutions</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> conversation to get an idea of what Sovereign Engineering is</span></li> </ul> <p>Recorded at <a href="https://mempool.space/block/914219">914,219</a>.</p>

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