• Can the Israeli people be saved from themselves?
  • How can Israelis immediately become net contributors to the available amount of food?
    • Can they do this in their occupied Palestinian land?
  • Step 1: start covering the Israeli population’s food needs with food no one but them can immediately add to the global food supply
    • Trying to do this without making them leave their land
    • Trying around the world
  • Step 2: add more yield
  • What about the pollution?
  • What about the DNA problem?
    • What can actually be done about it?
  • The real world
• Doesn’t this all apply to Americans too?

I’ve spoken a lot in my life about the fundamental principles of how to resolve things without bloodshed, and the Israeli example has been an especially common topic for the past 2 years.

Sadly, my time on nostr has been during a period where peace isn’t at the forefront of my mind, and other platforms, like Bluesky, have removed my posts about this topic in the past. I’m not sure if I’ve made people understand my positions fully. I might have to explain some things from scratch again.

§Can the Israeli people be saved from themselves?

I see a few major obstacles we need to get around: they have wasted food during an ongoing global food shortage and flown around on jet planes while attempting a genocide during middle-stage climate change. They have also perpetrated global-scale terrorism, successful in making it terrifying to know their DNA is in the gene pool.

We need to deal with them before that food shortage ends, in order to stop them from continuing to add to overall famine death tolls worldwide. We also need to deal with climate change.

But non-lethal solutions are ideal. So, ideally, we shouldn’t use the fact that there are millions of Israelis to just kill a bunch of them, thereby reducing their carbon footprints, and reducing their overall food needs enough to more than cancel out the food they wasted.

The alternative, then, is to have Israelis immediately start being net contributors to the available amount of food, without killing them, and also somehow find a solution for the part where they’ve poisoned the atmosphere and shown apparent genetic issues that are a red flag for more murder in the future.

§How can Israelis immediately become net contributors to the available amount of food?

§Can they do this in their occupied Palestinian land?

It depends on several factors:

• How much immediate food production increase is available in occupied Palestine / “Israel,” from foraging and increasing the efficiency of any ongoing cultivation?
• How quickly can an Israeli population under forced labor conditions increase food cultivation?
• How essential would the Israeli population’s efforts would be to that goal?
• Would global food shortages immediately end?

❌ If the food that can be added by foraging + improving efficiency isn’t as much as Israelis need in the time it takes them to add new crop yield, then keeping them alive in that land is still increasing overall starvation (starving people need the food the Israelis have wasted and/or the food they’re using to stay alive).

❌ If the food that can be added is enough, but the Israeli people aren’t capable of utilizing that availability, then keeping them alive in that land is still increasing overall starvation (starving people need the food the Israelis have wasted and/or the food they’re using to stay alive).

❌ If the food that is actually added is enough, but someone else would still do a better job, and people are still starving, then keeping the Israelis alive in that land is still increasing overall starvation (starving people need the food the Israelis have wasted and/or the food they’re using to stay alive).

✅ If the food added by the Israelis uniquely (beyond what anyone else could add) is more than enough to get them through until they can add new crop yield, overall starvation is still decreased by keeping the Israelis alive (they wasted food before, but keeping them alive today means there is more food available today than if you killed them).

✅ If the food added by the Israelis ends the global food shortage, then regardless of whether anyone else could do a better job, overall starvation is no longer expanded by keeping the Israelis alive (they wasted food before, but it’s too late for the people that needed it, and now no one needs it anymore).

So, the first step would be to start covering the Israeli population’s food needs with food no one but them can immediately add to the global food supply.

§Step 1: start covering the Israeli population’s food needs with food no one but them can immediately add to the global food supply

§Trying to do this without making them leave their land

I’m not sure how much food is available to forage in occupied Palestine, or how much efficiency Israelis can uniquely add to food cultivation there. In general, most places can greatly increase their efficiency by reducing the amount of meat they cultivate, but any immediate effect of that should be about the same whether it’s the Israelis running the operation or anyone else.

If the Israelis are under forced labor conditions, they might work harder than usual, but maybe still not quite as hard as starving people working for food.

Being locals might allow them to “work smarter, not harder” - knowing how to forage in the land, knowing how the equipment is organized at the farms, knowing what schedule the existing crops were planted on; many things might make Israelis capable of squeezing more food out of their occupied Palestinian land than anyone else.

On the other hand, there are also the millions of displaced Palestinians who might retain a surprisingly powerful knowledge passed down by generations. They might be the ones who can squeeze more food out of the land.

Then, if there’s enough land for both groups of people, there might be a chance for both to work together. The Israelis just need some amount of land, where they can grow so much more food than anyone else, the difference of keeping them alive is enough to feed them (and others), immediately.

But if the Palestinians show an ability to do a better job of yielding food, in every square foot of their land, then there is no land left there for the Israelis. Keeping them alive in this location could not immediately add excess food to cancel out the food they’ve wasted.

Honestly, no matter what, I don’t think the world is going to believe the Israelis are doing a better job than the Palestinians can do with any of that land.

So, if they can’t do it in “Israel,” the question then becomes, is there anywhere else they could immediately become net contributors?

Maybe they could split up and migrate to places where they can be more useful.

§Trying around the world

Many Israelis travel frequently. A lot of them even have dual citizenships in other countries, so occupied Palestine isn’t the only place many of them have some “home turf” knowledge.

However, when it comes to stuff like the recent planting schedules of local crops, that knowledge probably stays more local. Most of the people in “Israel” who know that stuff, probably only know it for their own farms there. So, they would mostly lose that “power of knowledge” by leaving their land.

On the other hand, we would still have them under forced labor conditions, working off their war crimes to stay alive. They might work harder than other people.

§Using hard work

If their advantage is “working harder, not smarter,” perhaps there are farms in their harvest seasons around the wider region, struggling with worker shortages, despite global food shortages.

In that case, Israelis could immediately increase food production at those farms by joining in the harvest; but so could starving Gazans, if they were allowed to leave Gaza.

So it’s not enough to simply have farms that are in immediate need of workers for harvest season around the wider region; there needs to be enough space at those farms, for the Israelis and everyone else that would willingly work at those farms, when hungry people are no longer blocked from traveling to work there.

This is simple: if we’re in a global food shortage, and Israelis are being kept alive to cultivate food someone else could cultivate, then they’re not adding a net increase to the amount of food available; there are still people starving to death, because they need food the Israelis already wasted, and/or the food Israelis are using to stay alive. There’s no non-lethal path for them at the farms, in that case.

It only works if there’s enough space in the immediate-food-supply-increasing job market.

§Appealing for waste reduction

There’s one more option for improving the efficiency of cultivation worldwide: maybe there are people who can only be convinced to waste less by Israel. For example, people who care more about Israeli lives than other lives might be willing to eat less meat, in order to be less wasteful, and increase efficiency on behalf of the Israelis. If the amount of food shared with starving people as a result outweighs the amount of food Israelis have wasted out of cruelty, then this can allow them to stay alive while still decreasing the death tolls of ongoing famine.

I’m not sure who cares that much more about Israeli lives than others. Maybe I could hold back on a few burgers a year, but if I can really get myself to fully stop eating meat, I think it will be for the animals that get eaten, not the Israelis that made starving people watch flower shipments get dumped in the sand.

§Back to the foraging idea

An altogether different option: could “working harder, not smarter” work for just foraging in random places? I don’t know. Maybe if travel restrictions were lifted to let all the world’s starving people forage freely, there would be enough food for everyone to just forage and stop starving, including the Israelis.

In that case, as long as we add new crop yield fast enough to stop anyone from starving to death later, the Israelis would be adding food production for themselves by foraging, without blocking anyone else’s chance to survive.

Then, before the foraging supply runs out, we should be on step 2: adding new crop yield. This would let the Israelis cement their positions as net contributors.

§Step 2: add more yield

Adding new crop yield is especially challenging. It’s not as simple as planting new crops. Today’s scale of food production relies on crude oil, and efforts to change that haven’t been super effective. If you’re using up crude oil without a plan for how to transition off it safely, then you’re not adding new yield or saving anyone from starvation, you’re just using up the currently available amount of yield.

For Israelis to really ensure they cancel out their food waste, and become net contributors of food, they would need a cultural resolve to pursue scientific breakthroughs and infrastructural development quickly, yet responsibly.

They seem well-prepared for the science and development, just not the responsibility. Being responsible can slow science down. It seems like that would be the challenging part for the Israelis.

§What about the pollution?

We’re as far as we are into climate change, and they’re flying around on jet planes while attempting a genocide. This makes it pretty clear the genocidal mass murder is part of a behavioral pattern where they work towards wiping out all known life, not towards protecting anything.

None of us have found a way to survive without contributing to pollution, so all of us can share some blame for the people and other creatures killed by pollution. But we are all just creatures trying to survive, as we have the right to do. What we don’t have the right to do is attempt genocide, or willingly waste food donated to starving children, to lash out at the world in blind, bloodthirsty rage.

We’re all born with the right to try to survive, even if it causes pollution; but do Israeli war criminals still have that right, after what they’ve done? If they can’t live without continuing to cause pollution, while people and other creatures are dying from pollution, and they’ve willingly killed so many people and other creatures in every brutal way they could find - shouldn’t they be stopped?

Of course, none of this matters if the Israelis can find a way to survive without contributing to pollution. Let them live with no carbon footprint. People from sheltered, rich countries usually can’t handle trying to do this, but maybe the Israelis can.

In fact, let’s not leave it to chance. Let’s just say, we are determined to protect all the life we can, and that means the Israelis can live without contributing to pollution, because we will help them find a way to do that, no matter what it takes.

§What about the DNA problem?

At this point, the biggest problem left is that letting them breed freely will just perpetuate the cycle. This keeps happening in history: the most sadistic population grows in power, while a global population of outsiders ignores it like psychopaths, until it becomes a danger to everyone instead of just some small minority somewhere, and then everyone starts fighting back, but then they kinda just stop fighting and go back to ignoring it like psychopaths while it grows in power.

It’s insane to keep this cycle going when it has grown to a global scale. I think World War 1 should have been ended in a way that wouldn’t have lead to World War 2.

It’s apocalyptically, Great-Filteringly retarded to keep it going when science has discovered DNA, and nuclear weapons. I think World War 2 should have been ended in a way that wouldn’t have lead to World War 3.

I wish we would end World War 3 in a way that wouldn’t lead to World War 4, to improve the planet’s chances of survival.

I don’t really see any chance of survival left if numbers 3 and 4 both pass with no lesson learned.

If we want to keep a lot of Israelis alive, we need a plan to control the growth of their genetic predisposition for committing genocide.

§What can actually be done about it?

By you? I don’t know.

By me? I’m not Jewish, so not much.

The Israeli predisposition for genocide is connected to religious Jewish ideas like a “land of Zion,” while the Jewish religion has different sects with different beliefs, and there’s also a wider Jewish ethnic group that includes people nothing like the Israelis.

To control Israeli people’s war-criminal impulses, outsiders would be trying to separate the Israeli ethnic group from Israeli religious sects. There’s no peaceful way for an ethnic group to be forced away from its religious beliefs by other, unrelated ethnic and religious groups.

It’s up to the global Jewish community, including Israel, to present any serious plan for lasting peace. Non-Zionist Jews are the only ones who could possibly be able to “force” it in a peaceful way.

Global military forces could solve the food shortages, and temporarily control the Israeli population, but not peacefully control them forever (at least without converting to Judaism or something).

§The real world

The Israelis are not seeking peace willingly, and as long as they are not doing it willingly, any large enough military should be forcing them. There isn’t a non-military solution to people with military force refusing to atone, after starving other people to death, by wasting food, during a global food shortage.

The Israelis can bring about a non-military solution by willingly working towards peace, but as long as they are unwilling, the correct choice for outsiders is a military solution.

Sadly, every time I’ve suggested the world’s militaries should stop being bloodthirsty and start operating under a fully life-protecting worldview, they’ve ignored me. I can’t really imagine the world’s militaries are going to non-lethally force the Israelis to work off their war crimes.

I can imagine the world’s militaries are going to kill a larger or smaller number of Israelis, and it seems the smaller the number is, the more victims the Israelis are allowed to starve on the other side of the coin.

So, I’m not going out with a gun, or sending soldiers out, or launching missiles, to counter-terrorize the Israelis and make them do more farming. That might be the right thing to do if I could be successful, but it seems like the laws of physics probably wouldn’t allow me to succeed, especially with all the other military forces out there. It’s also a moot point, because if it weren’t for those military forces out there, I probably wouldn’t have any tax dollars stolen from me to make what happens in Gaza any of my business, and there probably wouldn’t be any genocide in Gaza.

I’m also not joining a military to help with whatever a military is gonna do, since it seems like their plans won’t be ideal.

But there are people in authority, who can send soldiers and missiles, who are deciding how big they want their war crimes to be, and which side(s) they should be on. If you’ve accidentally ended up in a position of authority where the least war criminal you can be is allowing the mass murder of Israeli mass murderers (instead of allowing the starvation of children), then perhaps you should at least pick the smaller war crime, and the starving children’s side.

§Doesn’t this all apply to Americans too?

Yes. I hate to say this, as an American, but Israel is controlled by the US. When a voting majority collectively decides to use a powerful military alliance to waste the food of starving children, during a global food shortage, they create the possibility that anyone among them can end up being targeted.

This is the nature of war. Armies don’t operate perfectly; there is collateral damage. My fellow Americans decided to behave genocidally, and while I’m not genocidal, I don’t think I can go grocery shopping without getting within bomb blast radius of a genocidal person. I have to fear any proportionate global response that would target them, because I could become “collateral damage.”

All the more reason for me to wish the military forces of the planet would listen to people like me: end genocide; stop all collateral damage; minimize overall casualties; protect the real world, instead of serving the delusions of oil baron terrorists.

It seems like the only part of that they might realistically understand soonish is the “end genocide” part. So we’re all in danger. That’s shitty, but it being shitty doesn’t change reality.