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The outrage is odd.

Do we want normies here? Yes. We want users. We want growth.

Without growth, devs lose interest. Without devs, funding dries up. Without funding, Nostr goes back to being a 2022 side project.

Nostr has been declining in growth and activity for a year and a half. Apps and services have exploded, but the people using them have dwindled. In 2023 and 2024, my notes saw incredible interaction. By 2025 things slowed down, and in 2026 I barely get engagement on an average note.

Something new has to be done. UTXO is trying new things. Many of us are exploring different paths forward, because the old paths aren’t leading anywhere and we want this to succeed.

The beauty of Nostr is its flexibility. Large community, small community, basic app, complex app, it’s all still Nostr.

So go ahead. Run your private community relay, accessible only over Tor, requiring Lightning payments for read and write access. Nostr won’t change much for you.

But for the rest of us trying to build something that actually grows? We need to try something different.

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  1. An awesome Bitcoin culture event is gonna happen this June in Warsaw 😍

BitcoinFilmFest
May 15, 2026 07:20

These are the memories of BFF25. Let’s get ready for the next one. See you at BFF26. 😉

🗓️ 4 - 7 June 2026

🕰️ 6.00 PM - 6.00 PM

📍 Palace of Culture and Science, pl. Defilad 1, 00-901 Warszawa, Poland

https://bitcoinfilmfest.com/bff26/

BitPopArt
May 15, 2026 07:14

GM☀️ Still wearing last years @BitcoinFilmFest socks #footstr #bitcoin

See you all 4-7 June here in Warsaw🇵🇱🌳🎥🎞️☀️ #artstr #nostr

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  1. These supports help a lot for the growth of Nostr 👏🏻

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻🍁
May 13, 2026 13:40

I am very proud and humbled to announce that @npub1...37rqf is now officially supported by @npub1...fn34f

That means that we’ll have a full year dedicated to building our the full product AND MARKETING roadmap

My goal with wisp is simple: a nostr client you can proudly share with your normie friends with confidence that everything will work and be easy.

So far, wisp has been my little side project - let’s see how far we can take it with full time effort:wisp_cowboy:

Thank you to all the based users who helped shape #wisp into what it is today with your feature requests and bug reports, keep them coming!

Love you nostr!! :wisp_salute:

  1. Congrats to these love birds ❤️

  1. Let’s listen to some nice songs 🎧

heatherlarson
May 16, 2026 03:11

This week, I’m excited to share new music on @RadioDetox!

New songs here from @Right Said Fred, @Haleen, @ivylumi and more!

https://fountain.fm/episode/pyH0Kc5s7EwdmbRNfq2m

  1. The Nostr promo effort of a Birthday nostrich 🎁

Leviticus Mathew
May 12, 2026 15:32

Today is my 39th birthday. I have a seemingly greedy request of you wonderful people on nostr. I would like as many people as possible to zap me. 1 sat zaps are plenty and will be greatly appreciated.
I want to be able to honestly say that “Nostr is so much better than any other social media, I had more strangers send me Bitcoin than real people even acknowledged me all day. Just one of many reasons I dropped all the legacy socials. You should check it out.”
This will not take many of you, but true statements go a long way and I may be able to purple pill a few folks with that one.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Stay Blessed y’all.

  1. What do you think about his opinion nostriches? 🤔

VitorPamplona
May 10, 2026 20:19

The hard truth is that people are tired of social media in general. And if we keep onboarding them into Twitter-like interfaces we will keep losing them.

Somebody will come up with something better than this and I hope they do it soon. We need some brand new ideas not just recycled UIs.

  1. Great! His vision is so powerful 👌🏻

paulinthejungle
May 11, 2026 20:33

I have a sloppy primal that I update every once in a while for fun. There’s now stories, reels, an electric zap button, and a shop.

I want to see a future where we control what we see (algo choice)

And a future where we control
how we see it. Nostr enables both.

And no, none of this slop is coming any time soon. We’re working on something bigger :)
https://blossom.primal.net/0b99dd31e30cbbaed15766132452934a1ad6b2c880fe6299f47d52e16339f023.mov

  1. Let’s get together and help for his good effort 🫱🏻‍🫲🏿

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻🍁
May 13, 2026 23:24

Just remember y’all

I’m building wisp for the users who left nostr

Not for all of us who stayed

Pls support the mission even if it isn’t the right client for you

  1. Nostrich couple celebrate the decade of their love ❤️

M
May 12, 2026 09:52

Gm and Pura Vida 🧡 Ten years ago today, I asked my best friend if she wanted to be my girlfriend and discover the world with me. Time flies when you’re having fun. It’s time for sushi and Happy vibes and a good time. We’re going to celebrate that twice as hard today. 💜 A Decade Together and stil going strong!! 🫂 #10thAnniversary #Lovestr ❤️

  1. Vanished a while from Nostr to write a Bitcoin book 📙

lukedewolf
May 11, 2026 12:28

I’ve been a bit absent from Nostr for the last little while, but that’s about to change. For the past few months, I started focusing on a new project, and I’m finally ready to announce what I’ve been up to.

I’ve written a book. Defending Bitcoin: Industrial-Grade Cybersecurity for the Monetary Grid.

6 months ago, I realized how I could apply my cybersecurity background to Bitcoin, with a perspective grounded in the world of critical infrastructure and industrial control systems.

In Defending Bitcoin, I make the case that Bitcoin is critical infrastructure, and I mean that technically. Critical infrastructure is everything essential for the modern world to run the way it does, and I assert that Bitcoin meets the threshold of that definition.

Defending Bitcoin is grounded in the industrial cybersecurity principles that I use on a daily basis. The framework I’ve built is based on ISA/IEC 62443, the most widespread industry standard for industrial cybersecurity, and applies universal cybersecurity principles such as defense-in-depth, risk management, and threat modeling. And in all cases, there’s always something you can do to improve your security or that of the network as a whole.

I wrote the book for two audiences at once. The first is bitcoiners who want to improve their security posture. The second is technical professionals who may be skeptical about Bitcoin and want to understand it better. I build a base of vocabulary for both sides to understand each other, then cover the threat landscape over the course of 10 chapters.

Launching today is the accompanying website, https://defendingbitcoin.com/ where you can get a preview of the book, read endorsements from Mikko Hyppönen (the foreword writer), @npub1...6eyhe , @npub1...cw83a , @npub1...hr4xv , @npub1...lx3vt , and @npub1...sxvfp . I’ve also built a threat modeling tool where you can check how the book applies to you (fully local, we don’t collect any data except your email address, if you want updates).

Defending Bitcoin will be available for purchase online on June 15th, right after @npub1...gzu3r where I’ll be debuting the book physically. Use code DEFENDINGBITCOIN for your ticket, and come see me in Prague to get your signed copy!

I’m thrilled to be releasing this book because it’s truly the best possible contribution to the space that I can make. I managed to find a way to bridge the two worlds I live in, those of my day job in cybersecurity and Bitcoin. I hope you find the book to be a helpful guide to improving your security, and that it makes a positive impact for Bitcoin as a whole.

I’ll be posting more often about the Bitcoin cybersecurity topic, and hopefully that’s valuable as well.

I’m looking forward to hearing what you think!

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  1. Great news from Miljan about Pirmal Android 🤩

miljan
May 14, 2026 14:58

Primal Android users, we have something for you! 👀

A brand-new app shell just dropped with the 3.5 release. The whole app should feel faster, smoother and easier to use. Please upgrade and let us know how it hits.

Before you ask, we are also working on a shell revamp of the Primal iOS app. Aiming to ship that in the coming weeks; stay tuned.
https://blossom.primal.net/0f1d4f8134cf9567f2af1f2ada1f44c76b069630b7964046842dca38437fd5f6.mov

  1. As always, Derek tries to grow Nostr 👇🏻

Derek Ross
May 16, 2026 13:16

The outrage is odd.

Do we want normies here? Yes. We want users. We want growth.

Without growth, devs lose interest. Without devs, funding dries up. Without funding, Nostr goes back to being a 2022 side project.

Nostr has been declining in growth and activity for a year and a half. Apps and services have exploded, but the people using them have dwindled. In 2023 and 2024, my notes saw incredible interaction. By 2025 things slowed down, and in 2026 I barely get engagement on an average note.

Something new has to be done. UTXO is trying new things. Many of us are exploring different paths forward, because the old paths aren’t leading anywhere and we want this to succeed.

The beauty of Nostr is its flexibility. Large community, small community, basic app, complex app, it’s all still Nostr.

So go ahead. Run your private community relay, accessible only over Tor, requiring Lightning payments for read and write access. Nostr won’t change much for you.

But for the rest of us trying to build something that actually grows? We need to try something different.

  1. A Pretty lady musician becomes a nostrich 🎵

rayirovymusic
May 12, 2026 08:27

New to the relays 🕊️
Bringing my music journal to Nostr. I spend my days with a guitar and a piano, sharing raw songs and creative moments. Excited to connect with you all and keep the music flowing! 🎸🎹
#new #nostr #guitar #piano #musicstr #music #

#community_nostr_recap

Reply to Nostr Recap…

Right? I was surprised at that “left wing” comment too.

Reply to Kirt R…

Undoubtedly

Reply to El Hodlero…

there r jerks full in sov engg too - ur type gang is not alone sniffing for user data

Reply to captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜…

snap ur own anal hole - dumb ididots use snapchat like ur reference

Reply to captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜…

once identified a jerk always remains a jerk even if changing npub

Reply to captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜…

“Dev moron” lmao dis retard doesn’t realize a Snapchat clone literally requires a camera screen?

I’m living rent free in the minds of these low iq rage baiting monkeys who bring 0 value to themselves or anyone for that matter

Reply to 𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞…

Agreed.

Reply to inpc…

The conversation is Bitcoin and the suggestions of people to follow are often Bitcoiners because someone had to use the protocol first. If it were furries then we’d be having the same conversation but wondering why people don’t flock to the furry network. In the end we need a wide variety of people or at least people of different communities to take a chance on Nostr, otherwise it’s just always going to be our niche.

Reply to Derek Ross…

There is a big cultural element outside the UX problems. Of those that have even heard of Nostr, there’s a high percentage think it’s a Nazi bar and a lot of content is about money. That doesn’t chime with a lot of people. Now you could argue it’s not but I’m not hear for that, just echoing what I’ve heard from people on the Fediverse, which like it or not, is full of FOSS/self hosting enthusiasts AND a lot of what folks here would call normies. (Which I find pretty ironic as a lot of people here focus on working hard and raising families I’ve seen like 1 furry and maybe 2 openly gay people in 3 years).

If WoT/suggested follows mainly consist of prominent Bitcoin people, that perception is unlikely to change.

I can very rarely stomach any suggested feeds here, My interest in money only goes so far, by now I’ve heard all the Bitcoin catch phrases and I still prefer Red Roger’ 3,2,1. That man knew how to drop a catchphrase.

I’m not hating. It is what it is.

Reply to inpc…

And some people are not in Bitcoin for the reasons they say they are either.

Reply to Derek Ross…
15 sat

👍🏻

It took me a couple of years to really understand the importance of Bitcoin. Without which, I doubt that I would have really understood Nostr, norunderstood the importance of Nostr.

Reply to El Hodlero…

Agree @npub1...e9lcr! 🤝

Reply to Nomishka…

But how will us people with abnormalities login?

Reply to inpc…

This a good take. In general we need to hide complexity until there is a high probability they want or need it. The nsec could be framed as their 2FA and I am hoping things like FROSTR become more easy to use and ubiquitous in the event of needing recovery (main reason to broach topic of keys at all)

Reply to uncleJim21…

What kind of growth are you expecting? Considering who we are up against I think nostr is doing fine. The longer nostr exist the more people will find it in time. I stumbled upon nostr years ago with no prompting and fell in love with the concept immediately.

People will find nostr in due time imo. I think being at places normies hangout and spreading the word is the best thing to do. Small incremental growth is all we need. I personally don’t like having normies here as they will bring their views and practices that make SM unbearable but that’s just me…

Reply to …

We are all Marketing Team

Reply to Nostr Gang…

There’s nothing official here. You essentially have to come up with your own campaign and help existing projects, offering services.

Reply to Derek Ross…

We’re left wing here? That’s the first time I’ve heard anyone say that 🤣 It’s normally right wing and libertarian political views.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Its interesting that a lot of Nostr users complain about X. But after a week on X, nostr seems so void and the left wing bias on here is a bit tiresome after a while. There ’s no nuance when it comes to political discussions and the bitcoin commentary on here is not much better than on X.

Reply to magnum…
21 sat

⚡️

Yep true @npub1...tp424. I accept this. We want normies. IMO we need to make them feel not too technical here. Possibly first we can introduce them, the npub and nsec as the username and password. If they hear about npub and nsec as keys, they feel overwhelmed.

The other thing is we need to share more non-technical things here to make them feel very familiar here. For example, just like some family photos, vlogs whatever. When someone onboards, he/she sees there are too many technical notes here, it feels very overwhelming to them, and they go away.

I am doing my best with @npub1...znr68. Also, it is publishing outside of Nostr too (X, Mastodon, Bluesky, Substack, Medium, Stacker and Reddit).

Btw, let’s get this is as a bear market and stay humble. Let’s get together and grow Nostr. We are still early. 🫂

Reply to Nomishka…
99 sat

👍

Nostr, by itself, has little to no incentives to offer for normies to switch into.

Just like bitcoin. If you don’t see the problem you don’t value the solution.

Now bundle Nostr with a decentralized mobile OS on a new phone with built-in btc wallet that comes pre-loaded with actual KYC-free btc and call it “freedom phone”.

Derek Ross
May 16, 2026 13:16

The outrage is odd.

Do we want normies here? Yes. We want users. We want growth.

Without growth, devs lose interest. Without devs, funding dries up. Without funding, Nostr goes back to being a 2022 side project.

Nostr has been declining in growth and activity for a year and a half. Apps and services have exploded, but the people using them have dwindled. In 2023 and 2024, my notes saw incredible interaction. By 2025 things slowed down, and in 2026 I barely get engagement on an average note.

Something new has to be done. UTXO is trying new things. Many of us are exploring different paths forward, because the old paths aren’t leading anywhere and we want this to succeed.

The beauty of Nostr is its flexibility. Large community, small community, basic app, complex app, it’s all still Nostr.

So go ahead. Run your private community relay, accessible only over Tor, requiring Lightning payments for read and write access. Nostr won’t change much for you.

But for the rest of us trying to build something that actually grows? We need to try something different.

Reply to Mohammed …

I believe in this social media more than any other, how can I participate in growing it?

Reply to gcraw…

I agree. Ultimately technology is best when it fades into the background.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Good thoughts Derek. Totally spitballing here.

One idea that comes to mind: Good plastic surgery doesn’t look like plastic surgery. I like what Rabble is trying with DiVine. Bet you none of those people even know what nostr is.

To me the inflection point is: normies realize they don’t need a new password for every app they just login with their extension and set & forget . That’s underrated imo. The trouble is getting there. Some combination of “oh I didn’t even know that was nostr” and a consortium of apps that lets me not worry about logins anymore is killer.

Reply to uncleJim21…

How do I join the marketing team?

Reply to gcraw…
1000 sat

Correct ✅

Divine has been the biggest source of activity in my purview since it launched, and aside from bugs, it’s been by far the most streamlined on-boarding into the network for the normie.

The complexities still exist in one form or another, and even with telling people “hey, you’ve got something far more wild than you realize on your hands”… Most of them don’t dare try.

Now sure, we’ve got ‘algorithm’ feed options in some clients, but in general the feed is a canonical firehose that doesn’t know a thing about the user or their mental triggers.

Without it, Nostr is a social media detox.

Without it, people scrape the barrel for dopamine.

Without it, they relapse back to normieland where they can get all the cheap dopamine they could want. Drip fed by corporate interests.

Reply to Milo…

Data doesn’t lie, but it isn’t information. Information requires interpretation.

Reply to Laeserin…

Most of those npubs weren’t talking to small fry, like me. I didn’t notice them coming. I didn’t notice them leaving.

Also, a lot of the most-active npubs I was talking to then, I am still talking to now, but not in the public Nostr feeds. So, I can see them, but you can’t.

Reply to Laeserin…

You can look at the stats. Data doesn’t lie. It’s been trending down for a very long time. Of course there could be outliers and perhaps you’re one, but most people’s have gone down.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Ai is the thing now… Social is dying…

I posted somewhere the idea of having a chat ai like nostr with wiki creation and taxonomies… This would be more of a tool and a completely new concept…

Copying Twitter takes us just halfway… We gotta start innovating…

Reply to Bruno SlingshotVPN…

Yes, they compete – but it’s also the only platform that we can actually interoperate with, unlike XMeta. Once they can see the superior monetization model it’ll be inevitable they come here. In the meantime, we get their content and 500k DAU’s “for free.”

Yeah, bridges are meant to be temporary. They should work until they’re not needed anymore.

Reply to Globe99…

Protocols compete; Nostr and Mastodon are at odd with each other; you will be hard pressed to convince people on Mastodon to switch to Nostr, unless they ran an instance for a while and can see things on Nostr make more sense.

Oh and bridges just suck

Reply to Constant…

What would you think of a protocol, built on top of Nostr, that could bridge the gap between Nostr identities and their use in the physical world, as well as further expanding their usability in the digital world? I’m thinking of verifiable credentials / ZKPs…
Do you think this could help drive the adoption of Nostr, which could then become to e-ID what Bitcoin is to fiat currencies?

Reply to Fabio Bonfiglio…

Yes my point is that the restrictions on passwords to use upper and lower case, numbers and special chars, doesn’t necessarily make good passwords.

Reply to The Tim…

Yes. What I wanted to say is, whoever uses such an unsafe password sbouldn’t be surprised when it’s cracked or guessed.

Reply to stl1988…

i think i’ve had nearly the oposite experience. nostr engagement has only seemed to grow for me since 2023, with thing feeling like they are exploding this year. really don’t see the problem. same with the focus of interest coming from devs. i’ve seen a number of devs build cool things that inused only to abandon them. i’ve come to learn from that that relying on devs to build nostr is not the right path. the user community needs to be the one owning the future of this space. tools like Shakespeare (and just AI in general) can make that an accessable reality. i don’t even care if things feel a little broken here. i use only nostr for my social media and have no plans to go anywhere else.

Reply to ابو مريم…
Zap

👍

Reply to The Tim…

I hope that every decentralized tool gains widespread adoption. That’s because I believe the concept of decentralization is, in my view, the ultimate framework for how we can—and should—organize ourselves as a society in the future. I truly see it as a very broad and comprehensive solution to so many issues! And Nostr, among others, conveys this idea! The issue of relays and the associated costs needs to be resolved in a fair way.

Reply to alex_michaelis…
10 sat

Lezgo 👊

Profile data never loads.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Some developers (this includes ones I’ve worked with outside of Nostr), have a blast making new features, and never want to go back and refine the details.

As soon as the new feature meets basic functionality in the happy path, they move on, and don’t go back until someone rubs their face in the non-happy path bugs, or gross usuability issues.

When a typical users encounters several frustrations in a short period of time, they develop a negative view that is difficult to change. It’s ideal to never let them get to that point in the first place.

I’m at a point where I don’t see any current versions of a Nostr social client that I would recommend to a friend. There are some “other stuff” apps that are solid, so maybe that’s how I’ll introduce Nostr. I’ll be sure to add the caveat that “Nostr social clients are mostly a crappy experience, or require unsecure practices.” 🫤

Reply to Troy…

Do you mean “can’t see their profile name …”?

Reply to Troy…

Yeah. Whoever uses such a password…

Reply to stl1988…

Password123!

Reply to The Tim…
21 sat

Be the engagement you wanna see in the world 🚀

And mine.

Reply to satCummins…

Too many. It’s usually 2-4

Reply to EVAN KALOUDIS…

I think I have found a way to make mainly children and adolescents interested in even trying NOSTR, instead of talking to them about bitcoin, I began to show them the methods in which one could upload videos and how one does not need emails or hand over a lot of personal data just to have an account, that’s the main thing I noticed, most children are not interested in bitcoin, they are more interested in watching and making videos and discovering a place where they do not need to go through a single central server where they can ask them to self-censor or modify what they did, mainly 10-year-old children are already interested. interest in trying NOSTR.

many, instead of looking for alternatives to fiat, what they are looking for is how to reduce their dependence on Google emails or they are looking for how to escape the regulations that are being imposed on them on centralized pages.

Reply to The_Crin…
21 sat
42 sat

What kind of ads do you mean? Like a nostr billboard or something?

Reply to Marc…

theres correlation with bitcoin price and people not feeling poor as well, wait til we start exiting the mega depression.

Reply to …

I totally agree! I’m not an IT pro. I see myself and my project as a bridge.
I have a lot to learn myself when it comes to the technical side of things.
Take Bitcoin, for example—if only someone had told me about its potential before 2020, my life would have turned out differently. Keyword: free press. There are some really cool people who also want to make a difference, but technology just isn’t their forte. But it could be helpful if it were more accessible.

Reply to alex_michaelis…

I feel as tho the marketing/advertising is VERY LOW, I would be here if I didn’t find one random podcaster mention it

Other than that I don’t see it promoted anywhere, ever

How do you grow/scale without promotion???

Reply to gcraw…

I’d love to hear the long version, but I also don’t necessarily want to blow up @npub1...tp424 ‘s inbox with what’s already a “megathread” 😁

Reply to Globe99…
13 sat

⚡️

It’s a long story. Very complicated. Extremely difficult to understand and explain. Requires higher maths, diagrams, and logical proofs.

Short version:
Some people dropped a ton of money and aren’t getting timely returns on their investment.
The rest of us are having fun enjoying the network effects we have… here.

Reply to Laeserin…

If creators can directly post on Nostr and receive Zaps, why do they need ads?

Reply to Globe99…

Yes but they’re both “revenue.” Advertising was always a “kluge” for the internet because there was no built-in monetization model.

“Social media cannot survive without advertising revenue” and yet Mastodon has at least 10x the user base of here. And WE have Zaps.

Reply to Globe99…

Yes, AND – Zaps are the superpower. Once this scales, zaps will disrupt every other social media.

It will be a no-brainer once your post can reach 10k, 100k, 1M people – and whatever ~0.2% of those can zap you 10’s of satoshis – everyone will come here.

What’s the magic number? IDK, but probably at least a few 100K DAU’s – I.e. Mastodon scale. We get there, and it becomes unstoppable.

Reply to Globe99…
42 sat

Onward 🫡

LOL… Source: “AI said it”

Of course an AI trained on existing social media monetization models would claim that’s “the only way”

Reply to Globe99…

Sort of interesting that my own engagement has gone way up since then.

Reply to Laeserin…

Boo. The whole point is Zaps are supposed to replace that.

The thing is, once Nostr gets to a certain size, Zaps will cause it to be self-reinforcing. XMeta can’t duplicate this model.

But it’s a pure numbers game until then. Creators only need ~1% of people to pay for content, once numbers get to ~5 or 6 figures. If we even had Mastodon numbers it would be self-reinforcing.

Reply to Globe99…
Reply to djmeistro✝️ 🍊💊⚡️…

I agree.

Reply to Marc…

Honestly IDK, what have you made? (humble suggestion for creators to put stuff they’re most proud of in their NIP-05 profile block 😁 )

Reply to Globe99…

I want normies on nostr

Reply to captain…

It’s just normal incentives.

Reply to TKay ⚡…

Yeah. A lot of the funding comes from Non-Profits like @npub1...fn34f.

More users = More Non-Profit money

More money for Non-profit organizations = More people working on building a better nostr.

Reply to Marc…

The people who made nostr their careers and source of income need it to grow.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. For some reason me saying this strikes a nerve.

If my source of income was nostr, I would want it to grow. This is just human nature.

Reply to TKay ⚡…

Removing support for external signers while prioritizing google sign in isnt “trying something new,” its neutering your product just days after getting some shitty grant from OpenSats. Clearly, this is going to be a trend. Wisp is done, it was nice while it lasted. Ill keep using this version for as long as I can, though

Reply to Psilocyberbull…

It’s social media for fucks sake. Its value scales with the user base. The reason people post on X and YouTube is because that’s where the people are. If you want a thriving social network economy, you need users.

Reply to 3p5k…yttq…

What do you think about my apps in that regard?

Reply to stl1988…

Sustainability.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Yes, but paper Bitcoin means something else these days. We need a paper Bitcoin revolution. 😁

Reply to Marc…

For growth. Why does Nostr NEED growth though? It’s a nice commmunity here. It continues growing organically. Forcing growth feels dilutionary

Reply to Stirling Forge…

I mean obviously there are a lot of “chicken and egg” issues, and I’m loathe to say “oh no the apps are all ‘good enough’ “ — but people are staying on XMeta not because those UX’s are good. In fact, in many instances, they’re crap UX. And the users know it.

Ditto is already a way better app than Instagram… cleaner UI, more responsive, easier to navigate, etc.

They’re staying there because of network effects.

Reply to Globe99…

Everything needs marketing for growth. Grassroots movements are a form of marketing too.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Nostr does not need marketing. What is the point of scaling something that is given free without ads? Burning more money of the free relay operators?

Reply to Stirling Forge…

I think it’s a UX problem, which is ultimately an engineering problem. We’ll solve it. The issue lies with making decentralized tech work well enough for normie mode. A lot of trade offs and new ways of doing things without a backend need to be designed and built. It’s not easy.

Reply to Derek Ross…

It’s interesting to hear your narrative… I came to Nostr in 2025, never having used microblogging before. Like any small new internet thing, Nostr is culturally dominated by SW Developer voices. And SW Devs look at problems as nails to solve with their “SW” hammers. So the solution is, “what haven’t we built yet”?

But that’s not the problem, and I think your narrative points out why. 2023-24 was pre-Trump. The people who were engaging with Nostr at the time were doing so when they thought that they were all going to get censored off the internet.

Well, now enter 2025, and Elon’s tripping balls on the Dais behind Trump’s coronation. “DADDY’S HOME FOLKS, BACK TO X!!”

The people who left throughout 2025 did so because they don’t see a problem with the current system now that Trump’s in the WH and Elon’s running X. They don’t see the problem with the fact that Catturd gets an algorithmic boost over the NY Times.

The system we need to be making inroads with is Mastodon, because that’s actually the only decentralized social media that has gained anything resembling traction. But the bridges are defective, poorly maintained, and generally shunned because of the political culture there.

Reply to Globe99…

DiVine is a big step, yes. It also got lots of attention.

Reply to stl1988…

I have to renew my passport. How many conferences do you go to a year?

Reply to Marc…

OK fair enough… Snarky response aside, I think the thing that I’m personally reacting to is the idea that the solution is … “QUICK! To the SlopMobile!” I.e. let’s just build another app / let’s just ask AI what the problem is.

Personally what I think, like Bitcoin was once you get to about ~2014-15, we have apps that are “good enough.”

You want “normie Nostr”? Look at what Ditto is doing. Look at DiVine.

If we want Nostr to grow, this isn’t a “coding” problem, it’s a social problem. Why are people comfortable on X / Facebook? Is it that they’re uncomfortable on Nostr, or they’re too comfortable on X?

Reply to Globe99…

This is just a proof of concept. I have many other apps I maintain more.

Reply to stl1988…
42 sat

Life, the Universe, and Everything

Well said!

Reply to …

oh wonderful, another vibe-coded slop app that won’t be maintained 🙄

Reply to Globe99…

Ah yes, there was something in the past where people thought their brain wallet would be safe but then they lost their Bitcoin because they used a very easy-to-guess password.

Reply to stl1988…

When I detect bugs in my own apps like VidStr, I’m immediately fixing them.

Reply to stl1988…

Prague is next for us in June

Reply to EVAN KALOUDIS…

I think there are still things to do.

Reply to stl1988…
Reply to stl1988…

I’m experimenting with this little project where 1 I collect trash from natural surroundings (very bad state where I live…) 2 post a note on nostr 3 upload the data (trash collected from environment and zaps received on nostr) to a spreadsheet and then display the info on a little webpage.
There’s a zapper ranking, and other clues to try incentivise zapping. Does it fit in the gamification range? For me, it really is a structure I haven’t seen on Nostr and that many people could enjoy for many activities 🙏🧡
https://www.bitcoinkook.com/p/des-echos-sats-hechos.html

Reply to Bob 🌞🌍🌚 - 58oz Gang…

Hey @Derek Ross, we’ve seen a growth in Hydraveil subscriptions with the introduction of Nostr identities for VPN node operators. I think you’d make a great operator, and help Nostr adoption. It’s a low-time commitment & easy setup, and really goes into your point about new ideas from the community.

Reply to SimplifiedPrivacy.com…

It’s not like that’s new?
You do realize we did stuff like that with bitcoin over a decade ago now right?

Reply to kidwarp…
21 sat

Onward 🫡

Tipping should default to cashu (more private and less annoying than ln imo) and there should be some way of gamification to use nostr and to onboard new users

Reply to ngmi…

I love Amethyst but Amethyst has problems still. I get annoyed on the daily that someone is replying to me and I can see their profile name or profile photo.

I think the nsec flow is a large one for many people.

Reply to Derek Ross…

These worked well at the conference and @npub1...te2qd did an amazing job with them. What other events should we make it rain?

Reply to Derek Ross…

Nostr needs marketing and we can use cashu tokens as part of that marketing. At least I think so, but I’m not the only one.

Zeus wallet and FediMint had the same idea.

Last year’s Stone Ridge newsletter really got me thinking about this. Ross Stevens’ idea of the business “business card is back” idea really resonated with me.

Your business card is pretty good too.

Reply to Marc…

Of course there’s good apps like Amber, Amethyst, Citrine, etc.

But ideal is to have that all in one app.

Good ui.

Most people use social media they don’t have to think about servers, passwords, media hosting, etc.

I like the open source aspect of Nostr of course but it’s just annoying to have 5+ apps just to experience a similar baseline experience, and at any given time 2 of those apps are broken.

I’ve said it plenty of times I’ll say it again.

Better timeline mechanisms similar to one per follow but more of a daily catch up, start from the first note posted today, and scroll up to recent notes, and maybe also some WoT based timeline (kind of like a for you thing).

Better NSEC/NCrypt1 based mechanism that works like traditional password recovery for keyless noobs.

Of course this won’t fix all of nostrs problems but it will shrink the gap enough to allow us to have a user base.

People want visibility, if they feel like they aren’t being seen, and posting into a void they won’t use it especially if it’s complex.

People would be better off using a journal without traction.

I’m sure there’s more problems but personally I see those as things that would at the very least help stop the bleeding.

Reply to Jordan The Nostr Miner 🫪…

Let’s see what it comes up with.

Reply to Derek Ross…

I gave Shakespeare something to do.

Reply to stl1988…

They need to work harder and outgrow their own cult 503 cult

Unless they want to keep it a cult.

Which way 503-man?

Reply to Skater…

I’ve already built it, but we still generate a random nsec with good entropy, Google is just used to store the backup of the nsec encrypted with a pin

Reply to utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻🍁…

From what I heard, you want to implement Google login in Wisp? Could this also be used to calculate an nsec from?

Reply to stl1988…

New profiles always struggle to be seen. It’s the nature of no algos. We can do a lot for user discovery and content discovery. It’s always one of the larger hurdles we have in this ecosystem. I think WoT can help, if you’re on-boarded through another user and join their WoT.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Modern computers can bruteforce millions of passwords per second.

Look up Bitcoin brain wallets if you want to see why this is a horrible idea

Reply to semisol…

I won’t discourage you from building it, but people have a default password that passes this validation that they reuse on every site, and so if one site leaks it then their nsec is cooked

Reply to utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻🍁…

100%. People are tired of half baked alternatives and social media in general.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Many pages nowadays have built in a mechanism to prevent bad passwords. Minimum length 8 chars, UPPERCASE and lowercase letters as well as numbers, sometimes even special chars like #$&*<>()whatever. I think with #Shakespeare I could implement this quickly.

Reply to stl1988…

See how brain dead these people are, we need new users badly

Reply to utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻🍁…

My account is new but I have been around since winter of 2022. Jack personally zapped another of my npubs. The experience of trying to get any kind of visibility with a new account is dismal right now. The fact that you also are suffering from a lack of engagement puts things into perspective for me. It’s a long road, but what has been built is so valuable. NWC is incredible, for instance. Maybe there needs to be a way for new accounts to have at least someone to talk to before any WOT credibility can be built? It’s a complete void now. Take my word for it.

Reply to nostr.ph…

At the very least a good client would make all the stuff in house.

Self host your notes/data, have better NSEC recovery tools, Nostr frontend should hide the complexity of the backend.

Most users shouldn’t need to know how routing, ip addresses, etc. work just to use a social media.

Nostr is of course still early but it’s starting to get to a point where it may be declining to a serious degree.

But I think people also have “alternatives to social media” fatigue from Gab, Minds, Truth Social, Mastodon, Bluesky, etc.

Nostr while secular isn’t designed secularly, it’s designed around Bitcoin rather than communication, which is why Masotdon seems to have more traction.

But it’s also the chicken egg problem.

No one uses Nostr because there’s no traction, or content.

Reply to Jordan The Nostr Miner 🫪…

The big issue with this is people use terrible passwords then they become permanent into the nsec

Reply to utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻🍁…

You’re not wrong here: many Nostr apps are filled with bugs and very broken or if not broken we make trade offs.

Reply to Derek Ross…

🤣 I would never tell someone to stop using Nostr!

Reply to Derek Ross…

Let me answer as a pleb.

I think it mainly comes down to the difficulty of having freedom tech as value proposition

I’m only here because Bitcoin brought me here

I only run a node because Bitcoin forced me to

I only run my home server because only through Bitcoin I learned about it.

I only try to use secure communication apps because it was the natural step after taking ownership of my money.

I didn’t care the slightest about these things some years ago.

Putting freedom tech, open source, censorship resistance, privacy, and all of these things in front of people who are still in the matrix is like offering a sirloin with foie-gras to a baby. Just too soon in the process

I still believe freedom and responsibility over money is the Trojan Horse: communication and identity come naturally afterwards.

Reply to Francisco d Anconia…

I think the Jack Dorsey pump has ran its course.

Plus a lot of the nostr apps are still buggy.

Primal is full of bugs Damus haven’t shipped anything cool in months(maybe even years) and it’s hard to find content here.

Reply to Boog…

Here’s my small demo with this: https://nsec-login-bridge.shakespeare.wtf/

Reply to stl1988…

What do you think of having a username-password login from which an nsec is calculated without ever storing username and password afterwards? I think this could be more appealing to “normies”.

Also Cc @npub1...r50e8

Reply to stl1988…
Zap

Onward 🫡

Definitely. We’re back to Nostr bear market and we build in the bear.

Reply to Derek Ross…

that’s your response 😂 you can as well tell me to stop using Nostr .

Reply to nostrpoorgirl…

I don’t think transparency is a waste of time. But you don’t have to follow him if you don’t want to. It you don’t like it you can use the app and mute the creator.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Nostr is great cuz it’s the only mechanism stacker News has for users to DM each other!

Reply to Will Schoellkopf⚡…

ignoring the attacks is an option as far as I can see it’s the same lot that doesn’t help with pushing adoption in BTC or now Nostrland. It’s a waste of time and those who actually enjoy the app have to sit through his responses. Driving users away and becoming his own undoing.

Reply to nostrpoorgirl…

yes I totally understand how important money is. One could say its everything, so you make great points. Thats also why we’re both so obsessed with the Bitcoin project

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We do use Bitcoin…

Reply to Derek Ross…

I won’t use an app with ads or tokens. Someone can build that though. It’s an open protocol.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Your muse can be a 🍑 only on #Nostr

Reply to Coffee ☕…

If he’s getting attacked for trying new things, that’s a bit silly and odd. Expression of that feeling is fine and letting people know why he’s doing it is being open and transparent. I’m all for transparency.

Reply to Derek Ross…

That’s great. Stacker News has many Nostr features and their community lies in the same ethos as Nostr. I honestly don’t think too many Stacker News users aren’t here.

Reply to Derek Ross…
Zap

Funding means that developers and people building the this ecosystem can eat and have a place to live.

Reply to Derek Ross…

Other people are trying new things as well. He doesn’t need to make it about him.

Reply to nostrpoorgirl…

@Derek Ross I’m trying to bring people from @npub1...wm0gx and natively upload video content to watch here!! @npub1...xnvxq @npub1...w4jj5 @npub1...y44j4

Reply to Will Schoellkopf⚡…
1 sat

Im just throwin this out but when people use the term “cool kids” like a school reference, what they really mean is “community leaders” Thats what Nostr is on a tech side, Leaders are always gonna be a smaller group than mainstream, thats also why they’re called normies, theres not much beyond average about them. I often hear the word funding. Funding funding funding, and that just reminds me of why X sucks nowadays, funding overload over there. Do we want to become that? Either way no matter what I love your outspoken voice and all the important topics you consistently bring up 👍

Reply to …

Normie’s are maintenance consciousness without them the world doesn’t function, we need Normie’s and Normie’s need us…we are all Satoshi ✨

Reply to PilgrimB…

Apps can literally do all of this. It’s an open protocol. I don’t have to use ones that do you don’t have to use ones that do, but all kinds of apps can exist in the ecosystem. Then the market decides.

Reply to Derek Ross…

One man’s pain in the ass is another’s inspiration.

Reply to Derek Ross…

ur views are n Q are legit

but saying nostr is peusdo-anon protocol - apps should NOT explicitly TRY sneak shit or do partial location or other tracking or algo to push or influence the user web of herd - gang

@SerSleepy dev moron did an app with camera snatching by default - become immediate muted element

Reply to captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜…

Yes that’s it do it your way, but don’t be a pain in the ass when folks want to get out of the ghetto

Reply to Coffee ☕…
21 sat

Some number go up will help

Reply to Rowan…